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zac

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Not on my car, but on my mrs' Puma 1.7 16v.

Changing her spark plugs today to find the plug from cylinder 1 covered in oil. The car drives too well for the piston to be damaged, so it's either going to be the piston rings, or oil's possibly coming in through the top via the valve guides.

How much would this cost to be sorted at a garage? It's down on power but still drives fine and she doesn't take it over 4000rpm, so it's not posing any immediate problem. I'm thinking if it'll cost >

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 03:18
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Id say your looking at
Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 03:27
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Do you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke on start-up? It will most likely be valve stem seals if you do and piston rings if you don't.

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 05:28
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zac

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No, no smoke at Rich. No

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- Phase 2.5 Rallye (daily driver)

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 06:00
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Any smoke if you leave it idling for ages?

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 06:33
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zac

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None at all. And it doesn't eat oil either.

Maybe the cam cover gasket? Suppose it's worth a punt before ripping the engine out. Laugh

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Hit the limiter in 6th gear at 169mph (GPS - TomTom on the German autobahn). Still pulling like a train too. Cheers

- Phase 3 GTi-6 (409hp 'charged weekend toy)
- Phase 2.5 Rallye (daily driver)

R.I.P Pete Sims
Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 06:37
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Doubt it, you may be lucky and it could be a ring sticking due to carbon deposits, in which case the old italian tune up - full throttle, no throttle, ad infintum, may sort it.
Failing that if I can find a wee bottle somewhere I'll sent you some nitro-meth to try, that normal free's up anything that's thinking about sticking.

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 06:45
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zac

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Nice one Phil, thanks.

I suppose an engine flush wouldn't quite have the same effect? Whistle

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Hit the limiter in 6th gear at 169mph (GPS - TomTom on the German autobahn). Still pulling like a train too. Cheers

- Phase 3 GTi-6 (409hp 'charged weekend toy)
- Phase 2.5 Rallye (daily driver)

R.I.P Pete Sims
Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 17:41
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phillipm

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Might do if you cross your fingers and pray. LOL

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 17:49
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zac wrote:
Not on my car, but on my mrs' Puma 1.7 16v.

Changing her spark plugs today to find the plug from cylinder 1 covered in oil. The car drives too well for the piston to be damaged, so it's either going to be the piston rings, or oil's possibly coming in through the top via the valve guides.

How much would this cost to be sorted at a garage? It's down on power but still drives fine and she doesn't take it over 4000rpm, so it's not posing any immediate problem. I'm thinking if it'll cost >

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 18:46
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zac

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The engine sounds good; certainly no worrying noises.

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Hit the limiter in 6th gear at 169mph (GPS - TomTom on the German autobahn). Still pulling like a train too. Cheers

- Phase 3 GTi-6 (409hp 'charged weekend toy)
- Phase 2.5 Rallye (daily driver)

R.I.P Pete Sims
Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 18:47
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phillipm

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chas wrote:

phillipm wrote:
Any smoke if you leave it idling for ages?


I am assuming that this means guides gone? My mate's S12 does this, and we put it down to being the turbo (also puffs smoke on the overrun.)


Usually.

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Posted 6th Sep 2009 at 18:49
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