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 luthor1
Junior User  Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #26
gti-si wrote: Excellent, congletons only 30 mins down the road for me. When will these be available and what would be the final price? I don't mind trying one out for you...  Ok - so the guy in Southampton hasn't got his car ready quite yet - so anyone else in Southampton?? I've got a member in Ringwood, but just wondering if anyone else in Southampton would be up for it!!?? Kind regards Andy |
 Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 17:41
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Out of interest what happens with diagnostics? Or is it a case of connecting the ECU up to a computer and seeing the parameters. Also what is your method of connecting to a laptop, Serial or usb?________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 17:53
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #28
smegal wrote: Out of interest what happens with diagnostics? Or is it a case of connecting the ECU up to a computer and seeing the parameters. Also what is your method of connecting to a laptop, Serial or usb? Yeah, connect the laptop up and you'll see all the sensor inputs and quickly be able to identify problems. Currently we are Serial, but are testing a USB option. To be honest, I use a USB to serial convertor and have never had any problems with it. They are quite cheap and reliable, but eventually I will go USB on the ECU. Kind regards Andy |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 18:17
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captaink
Senior User  Location: Exeter Registered: 18 Jul 2008 Posts: 579 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Most interesting indeed....  Just a damn shame you came along AFTER I bought my aftermarket ECU. Doh!  ________________________________________ When I got home last night, my G/F demanded that I take her somewhere expensive - so, I took her to a petrol station.1993 L reg 205 with GTi6 engine and GTi6 brakes 1995 M reg FTO GPX manual |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 18:23
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soton_s16
Senior User Location: Southampton Registered: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 703 Status: Offline |
Post #30
I'd be up for this, but have an S16, not a GTi6. May be handy if you want to branch out to the 205 Mi16 guys/ girls ________________________________________ For all your Peugeot needs PugRacing.comGti S16 199bhp 164 ft lbs torques! |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 19:15
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #31
soton_s16 wrote: I'd be up for this, but have an S16, not a GTi6. May be handy if you want to branch out to the 205 Mi16 guys/ girls Looking at what I've got infront of me, the S16 looks like the same wiring as the GTi-6?? I'd be interested to see you mate - are you available weekdays to pop round? Andy |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 19:19
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #32
plug is the same 55 pin Bosch item but the wiring is quite different, it uses Ignition amplifiers not direct fire like the gti6.if you have access to Autodata you'd be able to work it out from the pinout listings easily enough though. can you change the ecu to use different pins easily enough? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 20:02
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #33
welshpug! wrote: plug is the same 55 pin Bosch item but the wiring is quite different, it uses Ignition amplifiers not direct fire like the gti6. if you have access to Autodata you'd be able to work it out from the pinout listings easily enough though. can you change the ecu to use different pins easily enough? Hi, I've got Autodata, and it refers to "S16/GTi-6" as one thing... Andy EDIT: the ECU's are specifically designed for the target car, so there is no 'wiring' to be done, it's all in the PCB, so it would be 2 separate boards. It's no great drama though since I can do a group buy for the GTi-6 and another one for the S16 assuming there is the interest. |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 22:52
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Look for the 2.0 405 mi16 as it uses the same engine/management. The ecu also has a built in map sensor which will need to be taken into consideration. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 22:53
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #35
my autodata has the S16 under a separate listing, even shows both types of S16 engine (RFT and RFY)like Allanallen said, there's an on-board MAP sensor on them. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 23:24
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #36
welshpug! wrote: my autodata has the S16 under a separate listing, even shows both types of S16 engine (RFT and RFY) like Allanallen said, there's an on-board MAP sensor on them. Onboard MAP sensor is no drama, I can read those easily  Will check out the 405 Mi16 What version of Autodata are you looking at?? Kind regards Andy EDIT: Did you mean "map" or "MAF"? as in "hotwire" air flor sensor? I'd replace that with a MAP sensor anyway. I see the Ignitino amplifier, they're usually really easy, 5v pull-up square wave is the norm, or 12v, either way I can do that giving dwell too, or just a signal if the amplifier has a dwell unit built into it... |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 23:37
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #37
definitely meant MAP as in Manifold Absolute Pressure PM me an Email and I may be able to send you a copy of the pinout list and possibly the wiring diagram in a PDF phase 2 405 Mi16 uses same engine and same ecu, phase 1 has a 1.9 engine with 2 different ecu's, one having a 2 row ecu plug (Bosch ML4.1), utilising a flap type AFM a single coil and Amplifier fired by the ecu and distributed by a rotor arm + cap, TDC sensor of course, and a throttle Switch (not potentiometer, i'd swap for a pot if possible) the later type commonly reffered to as 3 row (Bosch M1.3) uses the 55 pin ecu plug, and additionally to the parts on the 2 row system has a knock sensor. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 17th Aug 2009 at 23:59
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #38
welshpug! wrote: definitely meant MAP as in Manifold Absolute Pressure PM me an Email and I may be able to send you a copy of the pinout list and possibly the wiring diagram in a PDF phase 2 405 Mi16 uses same engine and same ecu, phase 1 has a 1.9 engine with 2 different ecu's, one having a 2 row ecu plug (Bosch ML4.1), utilising a flap type AFM a single coil and Amplifier fired by the ecu and distributed by a rotor arm + cap, TDC sensor of course, and a throttle Switch (not potentiometer, i'd swap for a pot if possible) the later type commonly reffered to as 3 row (Bosch M1.3) uses the 55 pin ecu plug, and additionally to the parts on the 2 row system has a knock sensor. I've found on Autodata, the Peugeot 306, 1995, with the "2.0 16v" engine, and there are 2 choices - RFT and RFY. They look similar enough to be covered by 1 ECU (but that's a quick scan-over). Is this what you're referring to as "S16"? Or at least is it the same? I wonder if Autodata are covering it like this, but just getting the names wrong - as they call S16/gti-6 the same one later, but now I'm guessing that is JUST GTI6 and the "2.0 16" is the S16 really... I've also found the older 405 1.9 engine which has the throttle 'switch'. Doesn't much matter, I'd replace the AFM with an onboard MAP sensor, and map it based on that, and use MAPdot to do throttle enrichment. Should be able to hook up the throttle pot 'closed' signal to operate the closed-loop idle code aswell... Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 00:14
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brownboy
Seasoned Pro Location: congleton Registered: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,371 Status: Offline |
Post #39
luthor1 wrote: gti-si wrote: You'll certainly have my business if you can get a mapper on board in the North Mike at mikeanics has mapped up one of my Saxo units before, he's in Cheshire... he's a nice bloke! No frills mapping - he normally works on rally cars Mikeanics Website Andy top guy and have had some work done by has quite a nice dimma 306 that had a cossie engine in  |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 00:34
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #40
PM's and emailed you andy, the RFT and RFY are near identical and are the S16, the ecu is the same as the 2.0 405.RFS is the gti6 dumping the AFM on the 1.9 would be ideal, I hate them  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 00:43
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #41
welshpug! wrote: PM's and emailed you andy, the RFT and RFY are near identical and are the S16, the ecu is the same as the 2.0 405. RFS is the gti6 dumping the AFM on the 1.9 would be ideal, I hate them I've just got rid of the Flap-type AFM in my 1992 Toyota MR2 Turbo (Rev2) by fitting my donkey ECU unit onto it (justputting miles on it now as it's near to prototype). Making a nice 260+bhp now, with better throttle response! They are horrendous, restrictive, slow-to-respond... yuk!! So yeah, getting rid of that is a really plus point to my ECU. Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 00:48
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mark-house
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bury St Edmunds Registered: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,096 Status: Offline |
Post #42
AndyI have a friend who is running a rev 2 MR2 Turbo with boost control im sure he will be interested in one if you start producing them too. Mark. ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTi 6BMW 320 td compact M-sport 1967 Mini Cooper 1990 Jaguar XJR 4.0 |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 01:09
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #43
Oh - I just worked it out - the S16 ECU has an *inbuilt* MAP sensor!! I wondered why Autodata looked funny.Ok, my ECU does too, 2.5bar one, so no problems there Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 01:09
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #44
mark-house wrote: Andy I have a friend who is running a rev 2 MR2 Turbo with boost control im sure he will be interested in one if you start producing them too. Mark. Mark, oh that's cool! I'm just putting the miles on it now, it's done around 4,000. Including a trip to France for our yearly trackday jaunt to Folembray. A few friends and I rent the track for a day. It's been working pretty well. I got to Folembray from Southampton on one tank of fuel, that's 280 miles, and once in France we were cruising at very high speeds, previously I've only ever got 220miles to a tank. Just shows how rubbish they fuel as standard, and how rubbish the AFM is! Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 01:12
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mark-house
Seasoned Pro Location: Bury St Edmunds Registered: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,096 Status: Offline |
Post #45
luthor1 wrote: mark-house wrote: Andy I have a friend who is running a rev 2 MR2 Turbo with boost control im sure he will be interested in one if you start producing them too. Mark. Mark, oh that's cool! I'm just putting the miles on it now, it's done around 4,000. Including a trip to France for our yearly trackday jaunt to Folembray. A few friends and I rent the track for a day. It's been working pretty well. I got to Folembray from Southampton on one tank of fuel, that's 280 miles, and once in France we were cruising at very high speeds, previously I've only ever got 220miles to a tank. Just shows how rubbish they fuel as standard, and how rubbish the AFM is! Andy Thats pretty impressive! he's always swearing about how much fuel he uses. He was talking about spending a grand on a new aftermarket unit but if you can d a plug and play one it would save alot of time with the wiring and get better fuel economy! I will have a word and find out when he wants to spend the cash! ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTi 6BMW 320 td compact M-sport 1967 Mini Cooper 1990 Jaguar XJR 4.0 |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 01:30
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Well, Soton_16 is popping over on Saturday so I can have a little look over his car!I've prepared a preliminary little donkey wiring loom just to see if I'm on the right lines. Don't get too excited yet I won't be starting it up or anything yet, but will be checking TPS, Coolant Temp sensor, Air temp sensor, Crank VR sensor, the ignition live power feed, main earths and sensor earths just stage 1 of loomage really! After that I'll get the Cam position sensor circuit worked out and test that, and get the sequential COP arrangement working, then start her up and go mapping! Kind regards Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 22:58
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #47
You have pm.Can get a car to you whenever you should need it. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 23:22
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gti-si
Regular Location: Bolton Registered: 29 May 2008 Posts: 228 Status: Offline |
Post #48
Excellent stuff Andy, waiting with anticipation. I just need to decide whether to go for a set of TB's or a charger to compliment it________________________________________ 1990 Cherry Red 205 Gti-62000 Mitsubishi Galant V6 |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 23:31
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #49
mechanical_repairs wrote: You have pm. Can get a car to you whenever you should need it. Carl Carl - I will be calling you very soon! Andy |
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Posted 18th Aug 2009 at 23:43
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luthor1
Junior User Location: Southampton Registered: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Post #50
I am in possession of a MINT 306 Rallye supercharger.... it's awesome and I'm going to fit an ECU to it for Carl!It's gonna be a good one... plug fits, wiring works, just gotta map that baby up. I think it shows enormous trust to let me loose on his pride and joy, so many thanks to a TOP bloke... I'll look after her. ...may even give her a wash Andy |
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Posted 30th Aug 2009 at 04:45
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