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 ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro
 Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
Post #251
totally off topic but shouldnt there be a star in that naughty word?________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
 Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 02:53
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #252
which one as think it has now? ive swore a few times an thought f*ck thats not got a star haha________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 16th Nov 2009 at 06:38
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ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro
Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
Post #253
Na still hasn't, its the post directly above mine, on the second line about your welding skills lol________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 00:47
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rapidcossie
Regular  Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #254
why would you get stalling issues by using a big intercooler?do you mean the charger stalls ? |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 01:14
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #255
not sure why it does it mate, but its to do with the setup and the map i think. mine was fine for 400miles ha!________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 05:19
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fletch
Track Head  Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #256
rapidcossie wrote: why would you get stalling issues by using a big intercooler? do you mean the charger stalls ? The revs drop too low due to the effective large Inlet plenum volume. Imagine the inlet manifold, intercooler and boost piping as the inlet plenum and you can see how the stepper motor might have a problem regulating that volume of air. You could always try a different approach like Rich_w where his throttle body is mounted after the 'charger. |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 14:03
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #257
fletch wrote: You could always try a different approach like Rich_w where his throttle body is mounted after the 'charger. Yeah thats how one would normally mount a supercharger but given the space in the 306 it was easier and more effective to do it the way Rich has done it for our kits  Personally mine hardly ever stalls at all now purely because i have adapted the way i bring the car to a stop, it really is no biggy given the amount of oommmppph one gets  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 14:15
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #258
Hasn't Rich got an updated map to stop the stalling? ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 17th Nov 2009 at 14:36
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #259
Yeah thats what russ has now, an he has no complaints, although he is used to it now tho. im tempted to go down the the same road as rich, but flat needs heating first!________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 04:06
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #260
chrisd306 wrote: Yeah thats what russ has now, an he has no complaints, although he is used to it now tho. im tempted to go down the the same road as rich, but flat needs heating first! Heating and feeding yourself or spending money on the car, man's hardest question  |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 13:23
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russbez
Seasoned Pro  Location: Inverness-Shire Registered: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 7,459 Status: Offline |
Post #261
central heating is down the list a bit surely  ________________________________________ TEAM HIGH BOOST SUPERCHARGED RALLYEMy Rallye project thread |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 13:42
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #262
nope as thats been a year ive been in my flat and havent done anything, as anytime i save up for something i buy something for the car.mother has made me give her money each month now for last 3months, so i can afford heating next month, so then i can start saving for car bits again!! ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 22:13
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mad_dave23
Senior User  Location: Farmer land Registered: 27 May 2006 Posts: 819 Status: Offline |
Post #263
I have a large intercooler and low boost, never had an issue with stalling?! |
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Posted 18th Nov 2009 at 22:30
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #264
I had the stalling issue and i am still running the original map (i.e. zacs map as i was the third boosted six (after rich and zac)),I have cured 99% of the stalling by joining up pins 1 and 2 in the aircon connector that goes into the aircon pipe as in the pic below, When you press the aircon switch (i leave it on all the time) it puts the fans on at low speed, but also raises the idle rpm slightly, this slight raise of rpm is enough to stop the stalling, However when the temp drops below 4 degrees c it does'ent work for some reason, guess the aircon switch wont raise the rpm below that temp  ,Suppose i should get the revised map but hoping to go high boost eventually so i havent bothered,  ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 00:53
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rapidcossie
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #265
so the revs drop and the chrager is pulling out more power than it is produceing hence the stall? |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 00:56
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #266
rapidcossie wrote: so the revs drop and the chrager is pulling out more power than it is produceing hence the stall? As someone said its due to the large plenum volume and the ICV just cant keep up so revs drop off too quickly and the car stalls, makes you look like a tit at lights and can get interesting going round a roundabout with no power or powersteering  ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 01:28
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rapidcossie
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #267
intercooler is before the plenum and ISCV so how does it effect it? |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 01:33
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #268
Not exactly sure but i think its because the icv has too big of a volume of air to monitor/control and cant react accurately/quickly enough to stop the engine stalling, i.e you have all the air in the intercooler and boost piping and intake manifold, where as in the standard set up all you have is the air in the intake manifold,i think the revised map solves the stalling issue somehow but not sure what is different, Or i could be completely wrong but this is how i see it________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 01:45
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rapidcossie
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #269
if the ICV was letting too much air thru it would raise the revs not drop them? |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 01:59
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #270
rapidcossie wrote: intercooler is before the plenum and ISCV so how does it effect it? The intercooler is after the ICV, You have the throttle body, then the ICV, then the charger, then the intercooler, then the intake manifold, Sorry if im not explaining very well, ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 02:10
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rapidcossie
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #271
im not up on super charger set ups, I had no idea the ISCV was before the cooler? |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 02:11
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #272
Yeah it is on these set ups, Rich W's is different as he's got his throttle body after the charger although he is on aftermarket management,If you look on page 9 on this pdf (air ducting) it explains the two different ways of fitting the charger setup http://www.rotrex.com/pdfs/Rotrex_C-type_supercharger_installation_instructions-V1.4.pdf ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 02:19
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #273
euan, are you standing asking davey what to say again haha, Dave, depends what map you have as there is diff maps from rich as to what set up your running, mine was stalling but that was due to my wiring an having 2 wires round the wrong way!! ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 03:41
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #274
hold the throttle back a bit job done hahahaha________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 03:43
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #275
chris ma tyres in yet ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 19th Nov 2009 at 03:44
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