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phillipm

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Thought I'd make a little FAQ given a lot of the forum are on rebuildable dampers (GAZ, twin tube Koni, KW, etc), on changing the oil and replacing the seals, save you a few pennies.

This guide is NOT for monotube and high pressure gas struts, these need de-gassing before use and special kit to regas them, you'll take your eye out opening them and then have to harass me to refill them LOL)

My old pair of Gaz are a little past their best, and the casings were rusty, so they got bunged in some rust remover to clean them up:



After checking them on the dyno I've decided to go the whole hog and rebuild them, so they're currently in bits, it's a fairly simple job (although I'm altering some bits on mine, changing the piston shims to the same as my current set of GAZ and some other mods), so I'll update this thread and go through it over the next couple of weeks, given there's damper bits all over my kitchen table I may as well do it now LOL

I'll go over what's needed to do the same to standard dampers next month too, although that needs more tools than most people will have available.

Pretty simple to open up, just hold the damper casing in some soft jaws and undo the top nut with a decent set of molegrips or adjustables, it'll be bloody tight, ~80lbft, [pic later]
The insert is held in - and sealed by - a nitrile o-ring just below the thread, carefully lift this out - you'll need to replace this with a new one, don't be tempted to re-use it, they distort under the amount of torque and never seal properly the next time, the top o-ring on the nut is re-usable but for the money it'll cost - just replace it.
Anyway, the inner tube (cartridge) will just lift out at this point, so you can see the oil and the footvalve.
You'll see now why it's not a concern that you're clamping the outer tube in soft jaws to undo the nut - it's simply a reseviour for oil and gas, so a little distortion doesn't affect it.

OK, the standard oil in most of these is a straight hydraulic-grade 5w mineral oil, it'll be fooked after a couple of years and a lot thinner than it started out.
Personally I'm going to replace mine with a 7w RDC synthetic ('cause I get it free from the guy who supplies the dampers for the rally car), but you will be best sticking to original weight oil as otherwise the damping will change.
My personal preferance is for either Silkolene 02, or Rock Oil's SVI 5.
Both are multigrade synthetics so they'll retain the damping better when hot, last longer, and they both run specific moly-enhanced additive packages - these compromise some aspects of the oil very slightly, but the friction and heat reduction they offer are of a lot more benefit for a strut which is taking lateral suspension loads, and will help reduce wear.
For the same reason do not use an oil designed simply for shock/damper use, it needs to be a fork/strut oil.
For GAZ you'll need 260ml per strut standard, KW's I think are 275ml, my own settings use far higher but I'll get onto the whys and wherefores of that later.

Anyhow, you'll have to run the damper insert through it's stroke several times to remove most of the oil, don't worry about getting it all out as we're going to open the cartridge up to check the wear, seals and piston shims anyway, but be very careful not to use a lot of force as you can damage the piston by bottoming/topping it out whilst pumping the oil out.

By now you'll have a spare tub of none-too-healthy looking oil, 2 fooked o-rings that need replacing, and 3 bits of damper.
On the upside, you should have 2 shiny new neoprene o-rings, and a bottle of shiny orange/blue synthetic damper oil.
Now, you can just refill the damper with your new oil, bleed the cartridge (put it in the oil in the strut and pump it a few times to get the air out, you'll feel it in the stroke when it's gone), then, this is important - extend the piston rod to it's full travel before fitting your new o-ring and screwing the top nut back on, voila, fresh oil and better damping again.
The purpose of extending the strut rod first is to trap a cushion of air in the damper, which give a slight air spring effect at the bottom of the dampers travel and helps prevent bottoming.
This is also why you need to stick the exact amount of oil in you removed - fill it too far and the damper will experience a hydraulic lock at full bump and bend something expensive...

For those of a more curious nature, or with a big hammer and punch they're itching to use, we're going to open the cartridge up...


To be continued...

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 04:03
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what rus remover are ya using phil??

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 03:22
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Bilt Hamber De-Ox C, superb stuff (so good I've given them free sticker space on the buggy)

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 03:33
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phillipm wrote:
Bilt Hamber De-Ox C, superb stuff (so good I've given them free sticker space on the buggy)


Will be interested to see this phil, I think my coilovers could do with a rebuild soonWink

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 03:38
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Looking good mate,any news on those springs?
Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 03:40
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hmm, so the nice shiny zinc coating doesnt last long then? how crap Sad

which are the black dampers they do Phill?

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 03:46
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Zinc coatings are always sacrificial by nature...
I've clearcoated my other set, far better.
Black dampers?
They do some blue ones that are anodised aluminium casings.
I'll flesh out the above with pictures and more detailed instructions next week, then add the catridge intructions.
And of course, modifications... Devil


Springs - I've been told the stock springs are 300lb, 9" long, but I'm still waiting for someone to ring me back and confirm.

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 04:03
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Whist I remember - Opie oils stocks the Silkolene oil, chainreactioncycles sells the Rock Oil, as do most motocross dealers, you can't get RDC oil commericially unless you give me a million quid LOL

Rock oil is ~

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 04:13
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I've got Hein Gerike locally, they do fork oils Big grin

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 04:17
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welshpug! wrote:
I've got Hein Gerike locally, they do fork oils Big grin


Bingo, if you can't get the Rock/Silkolene (or the blue Fox Shox oil for ATV use) get one aimed at motocross, as they're generally designed to cope with more heat, make sure it's a full ester synthetic too as you need the stability.

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 04:19
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phillipm wrote:
Bilt Hamber De-Ox C, superb stuff (so good I've given them free sticker space on the buggy)


ive just gone and bought some of the gel stuff on there website.

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Posted 10th Apr 2009 at 06:07
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Oh, the new Ohlins SVX fork oil is a good choice too, semi-synthetic rather than full, but it's less prone to caviation than most, ~

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Posted 20th Apr 2009 at 19:43
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how goes it phill?

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Posted 2nd May 2009 at 20:01
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Sorry guys, got caught up in other work so this took a bit of a back burner, anyway, you know how they recommend sending rebuildable dampers for at least a service every 2 years?

Well this is why:



Fresh, clear RDC unobtanium oil on the left (it is a perfectly clear dark green/blue colour, poor picture) fresh, clear 7.5w Rock oil on the right.
In the middle, 12 month old 5w oil out of my Gaz units, as you can see, it's cloudy so there's a little moisture contamination in there already, it's also started to split from the shearing forces (lighter fraction on top compared to the bottom), and there's a tiny amount of powder debris simply from seal wear, which is pretty normal.

If you think that's bad, wait until this weekend, when I shall show you what even the mighty Bilstein oils look like after some abuse, used dishwater!

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Posted 3rd Jun 2009 at 06:14
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Your missus is gonna kill you when she sees what you have put in her favourite pinot swirl pots! Thats if she does'nt take a swig and die first! Dry

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Posted 3rd Jun 2009 at 06:16
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They're washed, dried, and back in the cupboard already Whistle

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Posted 3rd Jun 2009 at 06:17
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phillipm wrote:
They're washed, dried, and back in the cupboard already Whistle

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You best hope she does'nt develop a sudden interest in specialist web forums that cater for owners of fragile french hatcbacks Wink

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Posted 3rd Jun 2009 at 06:31
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LOL

Anyway, strut has been blown over with some etch primer just to protect the bare metal from corrosion whilst I modify things:



You can see the new o-ring and slider seal (you can normally get away without replacing the slider seal but for a couple of quid it helps prevent damage in future).

This o-ring on the nut seals against the 45* flange on the top of the casing thread, stops the thread getting corroded and prevents damage to the internal oil o-ring seal from external contamination:



This is the important bit that comes out once you undo the nut, the cartridge itself, the seal you can see around the shaft is your main oil seal preventing your oil from escaping down the sides of the shaft - this is the one that need replacing if your dampers start 'misting'.



The 3rd seal sits on the circular recess around the top of the casing you see, again, an o-ring seal, this one damps the cartridge against vibration, secures it in place, holds the oil in and helps transfer the lateral forces from cornering to the shaft, so it's pretty important and must be replaced every time you strip the dampers.
Even if it looks OK the torque specification for the top nut means it is almost certainly slightly distorted once you release it from the casing.
It seals against the 45* chamfer on the bottom of the nut, so make sure the nut face isn't scratched when rebuilding or it will tear the seal!

Anyway, you should lubricate these seals on installation as the nut will be spinning across their surface, you can do this with a little fresh fork oil, but far better is a little tube of silicon grease Bilstien sell specifically for this purpose - it's the same stuff used in RC car differentials if you have a model shop nearby, and it's damned thick - 20,000w oil, so it lubricates damned well and is miscable with fork oil.

At the bottom of the cartridge is one of the important bits - part of the valving and porting itself, currently not too bad, could be better, but I shall be getting the dremel and shim packs out later....LOL Cool

Be very careful, if you are not wanting to rebuild the cartridge, not to get any debris on those shims whatsover, because if they close on some debris the seats will permemently mark and the dampers will constantly bleed and loose damping effect.



In the next installment, we shall take a big hammer to the cartridge Ninja
And then weld a nice fitting for a braided hose to the casing Whistle

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Posted 3rd Jun 2009 at 06:54
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can this be faq'd?

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Posted 15th Jun 2009 at 19:48
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Like I say, if your dampers are rebuildable - regular oil changes!

Let see, a nice set of Bilstein 7100's, with remote reseviors that take nearly a litre of oil each, and a floating piston to seperate the oil and gas, the oil should last ages longer than most shocks, right?

Couple of years use, the lovely, translucent amber high-temperature oil has transformed into some dark, black, watery shit complete with thick lumpy bits:



Mmm, lovely, just like your nans gravy, slice of meat and a slice of gravy please...

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Posted 16th Jul 2009 at 00:26
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Posted 13th Aug 2009 at 15:46
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Shush you, do your own strut rebuild thread if it's taking to long Razz

I'm modifying the pistons and valve stacks atm, and making a different foot valve arrangement, but I'm not showing you that, 'cause otherwise you lot'll have the dremel's out.

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Posted 13th Aug 2009 at 16:01
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Haven't forgotten about this lads, but with the work on the Foxes I didn't have time, but I've nearly finished the modified bits for the struts so I'll crack on with the rest of the guide shortly Thumbs up

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