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306andy

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Post #76
Finally fitted the fannymould this morning inc new injectors + seals, gasket(s)...

Hmmm to be perfectly honest its not as good as i expected. It revs nicely and has still kept its progressiveness (i expected it to be all or nothing), BUT it feels slower, like i've lost a few horses and a shed load of torque....until it gets to 4500rpm and it goes mental! The sound! The acceleration! WOW!

I think a remap is in order to correct the fuelling somewhat as it seems to under-fuel below 4k

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Posted 20th Oct 2008 at 18:21
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paul_gti6_uk

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You have to be careful though. It may only feel faster at 4500rpm because it feels so crap low down. I fudged around with an airgbox on one of my first sport bikes and this happened. It felt faster higher up the rev range but it turned out only because the bottom end was so poor.

Like you say though hopefully a remap would help sort it out. The lack of trumpets may be what is effecting the torque. As I said before I know the size and length of trumpets in motorbike airboxs effect torque a fair amount. Do you think it would be better to have a bigger rad leading into each air inlet that goes towards the engine?

Has anyone actually butchered a longmans to see what it looks like inside? It would be interesting to know for sure.

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Posted 20th Oct 2008 at 18:52
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paul_gti6_uk wrote:
You have to be careful though. It may only feel faster at 4500rpm because it feels so crap low down. I fudged around with an airgbox on one of my first sport bikes and this happened. It felt faster higher up the rev range but it turned out only because the bottom end was so poor.

Like you say though hopefully a remap would help sort it out. The lack of trumpets may be what is effecting the torque. As I said before I know the size and length of trumpets in motorbike airboxs effect torque a fair amount. Do you think it would be better to have a bigger rad leading into each air inlet that goes towards the engine?

Has anyone actually butchered a longmans to see what it looks like inside? It would be interesting to know for sure.


Got to agree on this one. I think thats what has happened to mine. I'd like to think that a remap would sort it out, but I'm not convinced and don't want to waste 400 note finding ouit, lol.

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Posted 21st Oct 2008 at 00:55
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xsimoss wrote:
paul_gti6_uk wrote:
You have to be careful though. It may only feel faster at 4500rpm because it feels so crap low down. I fudged around with an airgbox on one of my first sport bikes and this happened. It felt faster higher up the rev range but it turned out only because the bottom end was so poor.

Like you say though hopefully a remap would help sort it out. The lack of trumpets may be what is effecting the torque. As I said before I know the size and length of trumpets in motorbike airboxs effect torque a fair amount. Do you think it would be better to have a bigger rad leading into each air inlet that goes towards the engine?

Has anyone actually butchered a longmans to see what it looks like inside? It would be interesting to know for sure.


Got to agree on this one. I think thats what has happened to mine. I'd like to think that a remap would sort it out, but I'm not convinced and don't want to waste 400 notes finding out, lol

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Posted 21st Oct 2008 at 10:50
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Post #80
Got my extended die grinder today and went nuts polishing the runners up inside. Fingers crossed when it goes bck on it won't be a ton of shite! I also cut the end of the manifold of too so iI can put a flat plate on the end so the airflow into the last runner is as smooth as all the others. Hopefully get you guys some pictures tomorrow. What does a car with the longmans manifold feel like to drive? Is it all peaky power dalivery with no bottom end then?

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Posted 21st Oct 2008 at 06:51
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Post #81
Nearly there on this now, just got the end cap to make, weld it all on and then it's time to get busy with the spanners!Big grin













Can't wait to bolt it on and give it some beans!

Cool

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 01:14
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Hi, bit of a highjack i suppose, but does anyone know the size of the opening into the main inlet chamber? This one i mean!

george23 has attached the following image:

Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:03
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65mm I think, can confirm that tomorrow though.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:06
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Post #84
Keep the news coming mate, I love this stuff!

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:10
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Cheers daveyboy, il have to work out a way to bore that out as well then!
Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:12
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Post #86
Whatever it is, it's the same size as the throttle body (obviously lol)

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:28
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Il definately have to find a way of boring it out then! As im making an oversize throttle body, about 69.9mm!
Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:34
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Post #88
Hmm very interested in this. I would be very worried about reducing the trumpet length as it should reduce mid range torque i'd have thought.

There was quite a bit of info on the 205 drivers about TB trumpet lengths against power/torque on Mi16 ally engines. Wonder if anything can be taken across?

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 02:45
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I iwas guna get the manifold opening bored out to the same size of the TB ive had done by george, no point though i think, cars getting supercharged in a month Smile

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 03:41
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I'm interested in seeing what happens with these. I would get a spare and machine it myself if I had time before the psooc RR day at powerstation. I know what my car makes on those rollers (been there twice now).

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Post #91
when i ran mine i had it setup with bored thottle body to match and an FSE boost valve.


Something worked. It was far more free revving than standard. Scared the shite out of a mate when i put my foot down for first time LOL

Couldnt find anything wrong with it engine was really snappy from the second i touched the throttle but sold the exact same setup to Gtisid and his engine ran like shite with the boost valve but gave his engine circa 18hp after remap although his head was ported and larger valves put in so gagging for the extra air flow i reckon.
Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 04:06
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My engine is stock,apart from a filter, decat and a scorpion cat-back system. So hopefully this should add a little bite to the car.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 04:20
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steve h gti-6

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Had any joys yet on the power figure, gain or loss? Looks ace and you have put a hell of a lot of hard work into it. Well done!

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 22:12
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Nah, no time to work on it today, still in the same state it was in the pictures. Hopefully on before next week.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2008 at 23:14
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You had it rollered yet then?
Posted 23rd Oct 2008 at 01:05
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Nope, not yet, Saturday maybe. Scared as hell they are gonna say "137bhp at the flywheel mate"
LOL

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Posted 23rd Oct 2008 at 01:40
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I will actually laugh out loud, but if you go let me know
Posted 23rd Oct 2008 at 02:08
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Thanks buddy, you're all heart!

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Posted 23rd Oct 2008 at 02:13
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steve h gti-6

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So looking forward to the results. Hope it all works out and you get a good result. Did you use this rolling road to get a figure before hand?

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Posted 23rd Oct 2008 at 21:33
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The car is going on the rollers tomorrow, fingers crossed it won't de too bad. Has got 111,000 miles on it now thoughUnsure

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Posted 24th Oct 2008 at 00:01
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