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vts_tibi

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Hi Everyone,

I was just browsing the Hi Flow Heads' website (don't throw stones on me! LOL

) And I clicked on their parts list for the Xsara VTS / GTI6 .

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And I found this:

Turbo/Supercharged components Huh?

They offer a supercharger kit for 1250 GBP Blink

they say this include :
-Eaton supercharger
-mounting plate
-belt / belt tensioner kit
-modified inlet manifold

I don't really know, but this seems a little cheap for me, compared to that awsome kit Rich sells.

Anyway I'm gonna email them to ask for some more details and some pictures!

So what do you generally think?

Yours,

Tibi

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 02:58

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m3 y rt

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Sounds like they're maybe using Mini cooper S chargers, cheap and readily available and making bits to fit them, just a guess really. Some interesting products on there but wouldn't let hi-flow anywhere near my engine.
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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 03:10

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Those chargers are not very efficient produce a lot of heat and not much boost. Centrifugal types are superior in pretty much every area bar cost!

Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 03:17

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with cars its definitely a you get what you pay for deal

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 03:41

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HFH have almost a good rep as LAD.

Not the best i can tell you, if there were so good then people would rave about them. Unfortunatly all i have heard is horror stories

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 04:22

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i think you get what you pay for. Wink

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 15:39

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Somone buy one and find out Laugh

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 18:03

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Go for it tibi.....

Keep us posted on how you get on.

I am stickin with Rich......

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 18:18

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rich_w wrote:

Somone buy one and find out Laugh

I must admit i would love one of your kits fitting Rich, i/we could afford it, but not that she wares the trousers LOL

i would be hard pushed to justify spending �4000 on a 10 year old car? Unsure

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Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 19:05

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dicky

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Can't see the website.

I think the Eaton is a roots type charger so will give a good low down punch but thats about it really, as said before they produce allot of heat and so arn't very efficient.

I have a brand new Eaton charger off a Mini Cooper S sat in my garage but havn't found a use for it yet.

Posted 9th Apr 2008 at 19:18

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vts_tibi

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matsoki wrote:

Go for it tibi.....

Keep us posted on how you get on.

I am stickin with Rich......

no no no and again! NO! I won't!

The supercharger kit for me is the one Rich makes! , But as I don't want to spend that much on a 10 year old car - just mentioned - I will stick with the pictures of it! LOL

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Posted 10th Apr 2008 at 01:37

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anyway, the reply from HiFlow Heads:

Hi

The charger plates are stainless to reduced vibration. The charger kits comes with the belt timing kit & belt. The Charger are heavly modifed Eaton units .

Kit consist of the following :

gti-6 Supercharged kit (Eaton charger ,Mounting Plate, Induction pipework, Belt , belt tensioner kit, modifed inlet manifold) 1250.00

Charger Fixing
Plate Fixings
1 ltr Charger Oil

The Plate have been design in CAD.

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best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 10th Apr 2008 at 01:39

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Which Eaton is it?
If's the one off the Mini it'll not be worth putting it on, they top out at ~180bhp anyway.

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Posted 10th Apr 2008 at 01:43

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Off topic, but what are they using for the 6 pot brake kit that's *supposed to fit behind standard wheels?

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phillipm wrote:

Which Eaton is it?
If's the one off the Mini it'll not be worth putting it on, they top out at ~180bhp anyway.

my first post to an old theard, Roll eyes

the cooper s m45 charger can flow quite abit more than 180bhp! try close to 280bhp, reduce the pulley size with a decent intercooler to keep the inlet temps down and they cope just fine.

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Posted 23rd May 2009 at 01:14

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Surely they can't be that bad if merc and bmw use them? Wonder if they use the blower from the minis or the larger ones from certain merc kompressors? Guessing they wont be as good for traction as the rotrex, but cant imagine them being too bad with 250hp ish

Posted 23rd May 2009 at 02:23

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vts_tibi

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well.. for the price of throttle bodies it's ain't bad...

but I wouldn't buy it

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Posted 23rd May 2009 at 02:34

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The eaton on my mates truck does a good job but that would be a real squeeze being an m112 but would be a monster (hmmm goes looking for a tape measure....) Whistle

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Posted 23rd May 2009 at 06:36

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Welly wrote:

HFH have almost a good rep as LAD.

Not the best i can tell you, if there were so good then people would rave about them. Unfortunatly all i have heard is horror stories

In my experience i had the head gasket and a few other bits done at lad and have to say i was very impressed with the work done Smile

Posted 23rd May 2009 at 13:22

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si-mi16 wrote:

phillipm wrote:

Which Eaton is it?
If's the one off the Mini it'll not be worth putting it on, they top out at ~180bhp anyway.

my first post to an old theard, Roll eyes

the cooper s m45 charger can flow quite abit more than 180bhp! try close to 280bhp, reduce the pulley size with a decent intercooler to keep the inlet temps down and they cope just fine.

If you are running an M45 anywhere near fast enough to boost a gti6 engine to 280bhp then not only is it going to destroy the bearings in short order, it's also very close to the limits of complete structural failure of the rotors, I'm sure that will be fun for you, I'd imagine similar results to a flywheel going walkies.
I know of a car using one that's putting out 250bhp, and to get that out of it he's running the charger 2krpm past the maximum rated speed for the bearings, in fact they're right on the limit of the maximum surface speed they can deal with, and has had to fit a huge intercooler to cope with the heat output, it works yes, and the torque curve looks like a tabletop, but for how long is another matter...
Even he admits if he should do it again he would have gone with an M62 and spun it slower.

280bhp from one? Only if you want to be under the bonnet with the spanners regularly.

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alot of guys over on the mini forums run 250-260bhp a few close to 280bhp. i run 200 bhp with a simple pulley change. with a 17% reduce pulley on a otherwise standard m45 blower the minis can flow 280bhp with other mods(head work,cams,i/c,remap etc) this has be tried and tested for a few years now with no problems other than more frequent tyre changes. my point is the m45 seems quite capable to meet the requirements of the low boost market gti6 boys out there

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Posted 23rd May 2009 at 16:30

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A mini's Eaton supercharger has been used to supercharge an FTO on the FTO club. Thats a 2L (but granted a V6 instead of the I4 in a GTi6). Dunno the outcome yet as its awaiting a proper mapping session and rolling road.

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Posted 26th May 2009 at 19:34

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Getting away with it and it being a long-term reliable install for someone buying an aftermarket kit are both different matters.

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Posted 26th May 2009 at 20:16

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The Plate have been design in CAD

Ahh, that makes it alright then! For a moment I thought they'd used the back of a fag packet. LOL

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Posted 28th May 2009 at 05:11

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Noooo, beer mats is where it at.... LOL

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Posted 28th May 2009 at 05:12

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