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Author Subject: Clutch biting point??
deeturbo

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Hi,

I was thinking where is it meant to be?

I prefer it to be near the floor, not so close that the clutch drags when you have you foot down on the pedal.

Both my HDI Dturbo and HDI estate are like this. My girlfriends 206 is low and the one on my '6 is the same.

So, in the 206 and the GTI when I change gear it's not as smooth because when I release the pedal the clutch disengages near the point of my foot coming off but the other cars it's near the end of the throw of the pedal so disengages sooner.

Someone said the 206 might have air in the system with it being a hydraulic system and that causing the symptoms. I wasn't sure what it could be on the GTI and as I was writing this I just thought it could be the grommet hasn't seated in the bulkhead.

So back to the question, where should the bite point be in the travel of the pedal?
Posted 8th May 2017 at 23:41
mocinim

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In a 6 near the bottom if all is shiny new mine on the black rallye is all new nice and low and can be operated with finger tips
They get heavy when the gromet wears and begins to trap the cable
Or your cluch is done
The gromet is tricky to fit correctly as im sure you know due to its position and causes the dreaded grippy and heavy clutch action

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Posted 8th May 2017 at 23:56
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The clutch in the hdi Dturbo has only done 40k (mainly motorway). I did 300 on the last one lol.

You can push the pedal down around 25mm before you can feel the clutch spring pressure.

The GTI clutch is new, around 1k in it and was very light at first but a but a little lighter than the Dturbo at the minute. I've put a foil heat reflector around the cable where it's close to the exhaust manifold to help keep the heat away and stop it drying out the grease.

You can feel the spring pressure from the start when pushing the pedal.

Both have had new cables at the time of clutch cables being fitted.

The Dturbo I had to put a spacer behind the fork to allow the clutch to fully disengage.

So, am I right in saying the Dturbo cable isn't taking up the slack and the auto adjuster at fault? The GTI and 206 have correct bite points, the others aren't correct and I've got used to the wrong bite point?
Posted 9th May 2017 at 11:54
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Dturbo definately sounds wrong 40k is good work for a clutch cable its often where the cable cuts into the gromet at the bulh head that causes the stifness
Could be your adjuster how old is your clutch in miles?? What make is it

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Posted 9th May 2017 at 13:08
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Post #5
Dturbo 40000 miles on the clutch and cable from dealer
Gti 1000 miles on the clutch and cable from motor factors

Both are Valeo clutch.

I need to take the box off the Dturbo to replace crank seals so I might replace the cable again.

The motor factor cable seems better then the one I got from the dealers. I'll have to find the make for the invoice.
Posted 9th May 2017 at 14:01
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did you replace the bushes and clean the rust off the shaft?

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Posted 9th May 2017 at 14:23
deeturbo

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Yes, new style bushes with seals, cleaned and polished the shaft contact areas. I used silicone grease in the bushes to keep water out, rust free and help lube.
Posted 9th May 2017 at 15:27
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I recently fitted a dura cable from car parts for less on my 6 and was a bugger to do but initially was a very soft nice pedal motion, but didn't take long at all to go back to being solid. Although it must be the clutch is on it's way out as I can hear the tension/creaking when pressing the pedal at the clutch end... I did notice the plastic end on the dura cable was slightly different at the pedal end to the original seems thicker plastic so hopefully more sturdy...

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Posted 9th May 2017 at 16:29
welshpug!

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Dura made the oem cables afaik.

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Posted 9th May 2017 at 16:56
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Got a borescope camera down the back of the servo and the rubber seal isn't compressed like I think it should be so I'm guessing the end of the outer isn't located correctly.

It looks like the bottom of the rubber seal is caught between the bulkhead and plastic lugs of the outer.

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Posted 10th May 2017 at 20:13
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Another pic

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Posted 10th May 2017 at 20:18
welshpug!

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yep that needs pulling out and sorting.

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Posted 10th May 2017 at 20:34
deeturbo

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What would be the best way to get at it?

Would I be able to reach it from below?

It's a right pain where it is.
Posted 10th May 2017 at 20:50
mocinim

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Yep on ramps or jacked !! Having said i have long arms
The washer in the rubber seal / grommet there will be rotten
Thats a classic mis fitting and exactly what i was refering to and causes the stifness and grippy clutch cable (referred to as grommet above )

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Posted 10th May 2017 at 22:27
deeturbo

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Post #15
Had a little play with the cable today and I think I've sorted it.

It was a bit more of a pain on the GTI than the HDI because of the heat shield being in the way.

You can see here the bung on the cable isn't sitting square.


The lug on the buckhead that the bung locates on to. The issue was the rubber bung got caught in the lug.


You can see here where the rubber was caught.


The bung located correctly, you can see that it's now sitting square with the buckhead. I would have thought the rubber would have been compressed more than that.


Before you couldn't see the plastic end that fits in to the lug on the buckhead.


Lets see how that goes. It felt better when parking up the car but last time it felt good after resetting the auto adjuster for a couple of goes on the clutch.
Posted 20th May 2017 at 22:29
deeturbo

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Post #16
When out for a drive this morning and the biting point is still in the same place.

Clutch feels a little lighter, guessing as the cable though the bulkhead is properly inline now as mocinim said and not wearing on the outer.

I think the guy that fitted the last cable had the same issue because that cable wore through the plastic lining on the cable at the buckhead.
Posted 21st May 2017 at 11:52

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