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So how the F*&^% does something like this happen?
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 Puggered
Junior User  Location: under Down under Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 16th Sep 2016 at 09:49
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gnrlee
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,882 Status: Offline |
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 unless its been fractured at some point in its life whike being off the Car?Do you have bent valves now? ________________________________________ Proud Member of the ASTOR Owners Club |
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Posted 16th Sep 2016 at 09:57
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Puggered
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gnrlee wrote: unless its been fractured at some point in its life whike being off the Car?Do you have bent valves now? Most certainly do  engines not even run in. what do 306's burn like?  |
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Posted 16th Sep 2016 at 10:20
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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 I have never seen one of these fail in this way before! The older style ones yes, but never these. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 16th Sep 2016 at 14:57
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
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quote: what do 306's burn like? Smelly with a few small bangs one big bang lots of bubbling plenty of black smoke And some screaming if you leave someone in the boot  ________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 16th Sep 2016 at 15:05
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Puggered
Junior User Location: under Down under Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: I have never seen one of these fail in this way before! The older style ones yes, but never these. Over the years I've seen plenty of weird and wonderful failures but this has me stumped. I've never seen the later pulleys fail either and were crack tested prior to going on as well which is what really p*&^es me off. The pulley has in effect exploded ripping the side out of the timing belt before the piece jammed into the cover. There was no bang, rattle, etc the engine just stopped. mocinim wrote: quote: what do 306's burn like? Smelly with a few small bangs one big bang lots of bubbling plenty of black smoke And some screaming if you leave someone in the boot think I might build a bonfire  |
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Posted 17th Sep 2016 at 04:16
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Puggered
Junior User Location: under Down under Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
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no bent valves  must have been kissed on the dick by a fairynew sprockets and a cam belt and not a tap to be heard. |
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Posted 18th Sep 2016 at 14:09
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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That's pretty lucky!How it happened though is a bit worrying... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Sep 2016 at 07:33
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
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Lucky !!!Thats supercalafragalistic bud !jammy sod! ________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 21st Sep 2016 at 08:53
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Puggered
Junior User Location: under Down under Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
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Think I may have been the culprit.While making this up, I might have cracked it while test fitting.  |
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Posted 21st Sep 2016 at 14:07
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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What did you need that for out of interest?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 07:30
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Ben_W
Formerly gpm  Location: Lutterworth Registered: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 2,941 Status: Offline |
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Looks like a locking tool for a cambelt change________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye .... On going OEM spec restoChina Blue GTi6 .... Weekend toy Black 208 GTi .... Wife's car now Silver BMW 550i.... The executive missile |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 08:57
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cully
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
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locks the cam pulleys together so you can torque up the centre bolt to 40Nmits a copy of the peugeot tool for the job very much like the one i made myself  |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 10:20
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Puggered
Junior User Location: under Down under Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
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^ What he saidI used to have the genuine Peugeot kit but gave it away years ago |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 11:47
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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i doubt peugeot used one of those on the j4r and j4rs due to the adjustable pulleys, they need to be loose when you tension the belt.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 13:25
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tvrfan007
Seasoned Pro  Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
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It's not used for anything other than the moment you crack/lock the cam pulley bolts. It doesn't interfere with the adjustment as it's already been removed.________________________________________ I'm Si btw Night Blue VW Golf GTD Bianca LBSC Rallye - Track/Road Slag Project Thread Sparkling Silver Mini Cooper D - Super Dooper  - (The other half's wheels) |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 13:35
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: i doubt peugeot used one of those on the j4r and j4rs due to the adjustable pulleys, they need to be loose when you tension the belt. check out the download section of this forum find the document "XU10J4RS Technical Info" look for page 8 Fig:6 http://www.306gti6.com/downloads/index.php?id=21 |
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Posted 22nd Sep 2016 at 16:44
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I've always managed to torque the cam pulley bolts without the need for one of those. There is generally always someone floating about that I can get to sit in the car with it in 6th gear and put the brake on.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 23rd Sep 2016 at 17:12
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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far from ideal, puts a very high force through the tensioner, probably why I've seen the casting break off where the tensioner thread is.I use one of these.  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 23rd Sep 2016 at 17:48
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: far from ideal, puts a very high force through the tensioner, probably why I've seen the casting break off where the tensioner thread is. I use one of these. Same here. Never had a problem when using these. |
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Posted 23rd Sep 2016 at 19:49
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: far from ideal, puts a very high force through the tensioner, probably why I've seen the casting break off where the tensioner thread is. I use one of these. Really? So how do you undo/torque the bottom pulley bolt then? Lock the crank somehow I guess? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Sep 2016 at 16:27
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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yup.well i use an impact driver man enough to loosen the bolts without turning the crank  but otherwise a good screwdriver in the ring gear.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Sep 2016 at 17:57
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I've always used the method I described without issue.A screwdriver in the ring gear could cause broken teeth on the flywheel, not something I'd like to cause. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Sep 2016 at 22:03
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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lol, those teeth are designed to be hammered by a 1.4 kw starter motor.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Sep 2016 at 22:12
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gnrlee
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,882 Status: Offline |
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Not billet lightened ones though!  ________________________________________ Proud Member of the ASTOR Owners Club |
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Posted 28th Sep 2016 at 23:51
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