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Hi there,Just release I´ve torqued down the head without using head bolt washers.. The bolts I´m using are Rich´s ones, do you think I´ll have to remove it again or they´ll go fine without them?
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 p-silva21
Regular  Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Just release I´ve torqued down the head without using head bolt washers.. The bolts I´m using are Rich´s ones, do you think I´ll have to remove it again or they´ll go fine without them? |
 Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 01:42
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Did they come with washers ? Can't remember them coming with washers ? |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 06:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #3
yes there would be washers under them originally, some bolt types come with washers attached, if the ones Rich supplied did not have any you do need to use the original ones.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 09:56
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #4
I'm sure he supplies boots with washers ? |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 10:54
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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bigbadbowen wrote: Did they come with washers ? Can't remember them coming with washers ? bigbadbowen wrote: I'm sure he supplies boots with washers ? make your bloody mind up  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 11:40
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Thanks for your replys!I remmember removing the old ones to clean up the head but I´m sure I haven´t use them again.. The type of washers that Rich supplies, are they that kind of incorporated ones ( didn´t came off..)? |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 12:52
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Also remmember someone on here saying if the bolts were torqued down without the washers it will crack a water line? |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 13:24
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craig903
Regular  Location: whitstable Registered: 08 Jul 2013 Posts: 273 Status: Offline |
Post #8
The bolts from rich i got never came with a seperate washer and I had to use the genuine headbolt washers. The bolts do have an integrated washer in the head like quite alot off bolts but nowhere near as thick as the genuine washers.________________________________________ 208 GTI OwnerTurbo'd '6 project - work in progress |
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Posted 8th Dec 2015 at 16:31
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Oh dear...Can I remove the bolts and use them again with the washers? Or can´t I re use them because of all stress they have been submitted? |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 17:16
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craig903
Regular Location: whitstable Registered: 08 Jul 2013 Posts: 273 Status: Offline |
Post #10
I believe rich_w bolts are reusable but your headgasket most likely won't be.________________________________________ 208 GTI OwnerTurbo'd '6 project - work in progress |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 17:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #11
iron block bolts are not stretch type, should be fine especially if not heat cycled, as for the gasket, im not sure myself, especially as its a steel item as standard.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 18:38
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Ok, thanks good news about the bolts...The head gasket is the MLS that Rich also supplies! What can be wrong with the gasket? |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 18:43
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Just to clarify, the engine never runned with these bolts and gasket! It´s a forged engine I´m being rebuilted for ages... |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 18:46
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craig903
Regular Location: whitstable Registered: 08 Jul 2013 Posts: 273 Status: Offline |
Post #14
I believe Rich's gaskets have a copper ring in them, a bit like a crush washer and copper washers you would normally use once and then throw it away.________________________________________ 208 GTI OwnerTurbo'd '6 project - work in progress |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 20:10
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Surely remove one bolt at a time and refit a washer and re torque, as the engine hasn't been ran it will be fine, do one at a time. That's what I would do anyway, I have had bolts delivered to be before that haven't had washers and they have been fine also. It's the 205 lumps without the larger spacer style washer over the water pump that causes the issue with cracked blocks. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 23:07
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Maybe I've just taken them out but I've never seen head bolt washers on the 3 or 4 engines I've taken apart? I presume they must all still be in there then!________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Dec 2015 at 23:28
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #17
You don't need washers with the bolts  ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 12th Dec 2015 at 21:53
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p-silva21
Regular Location: Lisboa Registered: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 160 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Thanks for all your help! However, I had already followed Carl´s advise and removed the bolts one by one and replaced the washers... Craig903 I didn´t understand right if the problem you´re saying about the HG was the possibility of a smashed small rivet that would interfere with the alignment of the layers but I´ve checked the old gasket in the engine (also Rich´s one...) and it was absolutely intact and with no signs of a any failure even with all that time/pressure aplied |
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Posted 13th Dec 2015 at 20:38
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