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Day666

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Kevin are you able or are you going to Pugfest Middle of next month ?
Good to see varied cars & how they perform ?

Remember though !....someone with Miles skill & driving ability could make a milk float go quick up that hill LOL

Your welcome to get a ride in mine & I'm sure Pete will be able to give you a lift ?

Everyone's view is diff & it's all about opinions ...but this is something for you to think about ?

Will di Claudio's 106 was running a Longmans engine with a Brett head !!!
When he changed to Sandy Brown in the same 106 he was nearly 2secs a Lap quicker just round Combe Whistle
Have a look on You Tube for him ...loads of stuff ....he wins everything against guess wot big power Supercharged / Turbocharged asst cars !!!!
I Admit a amazing driver with Talent ...but N/A done right is hard to beat on certain tracks ....useable power & easier on tyres Thumbs up ...

I love Supercharged & Turbocharged cars & 6s ...I just love N/A more but they do cost much more to get power ....
I thought I'd better say that so every 6 owner at Pugfest doesn't hunt ME down LOL

PS ...I came within 1hr of buying MIDLIFES low boost set up on here ...amazing price & everything you need ....just love Bodies sound Crazy
Also Wayne / mapper has managed to crack the problem with low / high boost Body being in the wrong place & thats a amazing find for any existing Blower owners Whistle
Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 12:09
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I'll have to ask Brett about this that's for sure

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 12:59
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yeah, the astra he's up against is a 280 bhp anderson engine, the leon and tt are over 500bhp.

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 13:12
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Really seems like this forum is picking up a bit again yay Smile, more and more threads going up with some useful information Big grin
Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 13:17
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Day666

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Nick.gti6 wrote:
Really seems like this forum is picking up a bit again yay Smile, more and more threads going up with some useful information Big grin


Nick I so hope so ....far to much knowledge on here to lose ....loads of fantastically knowledgeable people who know there stuff are about but don't always comment on questions asked ....
A little controversy gets them people out of the shadows it seems Thumbs up

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 13:29
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Rallyewoo2 wrote:
I'll have to ask Brett about this that's for sure


Kevin ...I spoke personally to Wil @ action day ...Combe Thumbs up
Please let us know what Brett says about that story Thumbs up
Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 13:32
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The more power and, more importantly, torque you try to put through the front wheels and these be boxes the more issues you'll have.

170bhp, 1000kg and a 3k budget gets me past some interesting cars I find.

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 14:02
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adam b wrote:
The more power and, more importantly, torque you try to put through the front wheels and these be boxes the more issues you'll have.

170bhp, 1000kg and a 3k budget gets me past some interesting cars I find.


Blimey Adam !!!!
Forgot about you m8 LOL
Your car flys also Thumbs up & yours is quite standard Engine also ? Whistle
You don't look a bad driver either Whistle

Surly your going to Pugfest ?
Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 15:28
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It has piper 270s but still has a couple of lifters not working.
Dunno about the driver, but he's having fun Smile

I live on the same hill, of course I'm going!

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 15:10
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If anyone wants to come out passenger in my 205 at Pugfest more than welcome...
230hp NA and 750kg.

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 19:15
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No thanks not a fan of sandy's work atal
The idea was to build something cheap that I can just abuse! I didn't say I was building btcc spec it was just what I was offered.


Why? On what first hand basis do you not like his work? Or is it because your a friend of Brett's, Sandy is competition and automatically dislike his work?

I'd steer clear of old BTCC bits. The technology is 20 years old for a start and if you are not building to tight regs why do you want to run an extremely fragile engine.

Sandy imo has the balls to try different things, different designs which your big boys will turn there nose up at because it's not the mainstream way or what was learnt at engine school.
Proof is in the pudding an he has customers gone from big named builders to his lumps and are outright quicker.

Tony Dolley in his 206 went from Longman to a SB engine and gained a couple of seconds. Not any more power but more tractable, less wheelspin because of delivery, more torque and a cleaner drive.

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 19:25
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I'm helping getting my mate who bought Pete GTI's gti6 HB ready for track. I'll let you know how 400hp against 230hp NA with 300 less kg goes. I'll get the GO PRO on for sure...

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 19:30
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rallyeash wrote:
I'm helping getting my mate who bought Pete GTI's gti6 HB ready for track. I'll let you know how 400hp against 230hp NA with 300 less kg goes. I'll get the GO PRO on for sure...



I want YOU to drive Both Ash Thumbs up
Unless your m8 is as good ?
Ash I really don't think much will touch yours ....but you have got trick suspension don't forget LOL



Fact is usable power & that's what SB does .....
For gods sake I can't believe what he's done for me & mines bloody stnd Whistle
Don't want to slag Brett off as I don't know him & his work ....but the facts are the biggest names are coming to SB why ????
It must be something ...Because people don't like waiting & waiting is what you have to do at the mo with SB engines Thumbs up
My orders gone in for next year 2.2 reliable hydraulic lifter smoker ...about 220-230 lots more torque & yet another trial for SB ....I'm the guinea pig !!!!!
Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 19:45
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Yeah I'll drive both. There's a lot to do on that car. Some big corners have been cut! For example cage not properly fitted, drivers seat was held in with 3 bolts and a cable tie as the forth mounting point...

It's got all the bits it just needs pulling apart and assembling right. Should see the track in a few months time.

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 20:11
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I'm just going to pocket the Pistons head work cams
And btcc inlet or bodies, we all have opinions I think Brett is awesome at what he does as you said longmans engine not Brett built

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 21:12
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Rallyewoo2 wrote:
I'm just going to pocket the Pistons head work cams
And btcc inlet or bodies, we all have opinions I think Brett is awesome at what he does as you said longmans engine not Brett built


Keep us updated Kevin Thumbs up
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 22:06
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rallyeash wrote:
If anyone wants to come out passenger in my 205 at Pugfest more than welcome...
230hp NA and 750kg.


I'd like a passenger ride up the hill please Ash, I didn't get chance to come out with you at oulton park last time we were there. Smile

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 23:10
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As long as Brett isn't believing what Longmans dyno used to read you'll be ok. My '270bhp' made 240, and ended up been mapped to 235 for driveability reasons. I had 2 engines 'rebuilt'by Longmans whilst Brett worked there and both failed, one on its 5th lap, next one after 1 track day.

The only btcc stuff that isn't great is the cams, they were designed to meet regs and have very very severe opening and closing ramps with masses of full lift duration. not great for anything other than max power to meet regs. Any major cam manufacturer can make off the shelf cams that will be better in almost every way.

BTCC heads are good, check the valve seats though.

Cranks and rods are generally good but get them crack tested and new bolts.

Pistons are generally good dependant on inspection.

I personally would replace valve springs unless they are guaranteed new as one dodgy valve spring will f**k an engine in no time, valves also, for the sake of £300 it isn't worth the risk.

You have to remember the btcc stuff is knocking on for 15 years old now if it is original stuff and whilst it might not have been used for a long time it doesn't mean it hasn't had a hard life so inspect everything and if you aren't happy replace them. Arrow rods have inspected the 2 sets of rods I have and have passed them both so I'm happy with that and well worth the £99/set it cost me.

NA power is useful for few reasons, race series regs been the main one. It used to be NA was nice linear power delivery but Rich_W's SC are pretty much as linear.

If I was building a track day car I would be building a medium boost SC engine, aiming for somewhere around the 300bhp mark (for tire and gearbox longevity reasons) and <1000kg. The only thing I had issues with Rich_W's SC setup was the height of the supercharger which I felt weighed too much to be high up in the engine bay but thats just me been really anal, and maybe the boost pipe routing which has been addressed by a few people. Other than that I couldn't fault it at all.

As always though, power means little without adequate braking and suspension/handling. I remember having a guy come up to me at a trackday with a Nissan GTR R34 with somewhere north of 400bhp asking what I had done to my car because he couldn't catch me, same at the Nurburgring with an Impreza owner with similar power, the answer in both cases boiled down to some AP racing brakes, a Quaife diff and some KW V2's, engine was standard bar a filter, de-cat and exhaust and a kerbweight of around a ton. Set it up right and drive it right and power will be the least of your worries....

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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 23:46
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That's a very useful post Pete Yes

As for 'charger positioning - as you say, a bit anal wanting to lower to that to lower CoG, it could be lowered I guess, but the current positioning is to achieve maximum belt wrap Smile

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Posted 22nd Jun 2015 at 11:34
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Good read Pete no Brett has nothing to do with longmans now he's his own company as you all know
He builds awesome engines and I've been out in a 205 with a super tourer engine in it with dog box making 287bhp it was brutal they stopped it there at 8.500rpm. It sounded unreal!! Rich could I build a low boost with decomp plate and open the restrictor? To make 300bhp?

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Posted 22nd Jun 2015 at 20:18
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Rallyewoo2 wrote:
Good read Pete no Brett has nothing to do with longmans now he's his own company as you all know
He builds awesome engines and I've been out in a 205 with a super tourer engine in it with dog box making 287bhp it was brutal they stopped it there at 8.500rpm. It sounded unreal!! Rich could I build a low boost with decomp plate and open the restrictor? To make 300bhp?




Must admit I thought Longmans went in 2009 ?????
I'm sure Brett does make good engines Thumbs up

But we are talking about Special Engines Thumbs up

Kevin do you mind me asking how much money you have (now) or are planning to have for your budget & when are you planning on starting it !!!!
Because at a guess £2.5k is going to be needed for any way you go ?
I'm sure your aware of that though Thumbs up ......

I'm just a little concerned your after something extreme which will give you no reliability ???...it's your money though ???

I've not even touched my engine internals yet & have to wait until this time next year to do what I want to do Thumbs up
What I have spent scares the s**t out of me though Crazy
Posted 22nd Jun 2015 at 21:49
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Day666 wrote:
What I have spent scares the s**t out of me though Crazy


It's only money Big grin

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Trying to keep within 2k if I can to be honest!! Brett builds special engines

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Posted 22nd Jun 2015 at 22:00
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Rallyewoo2 wrote:
Trying to keep within 2k if I can to be honest!! Brett builds special engines


I hope your correct as I've heard this so much from so many people over the years & I mean So many people Thumbs up
All the best with your m8 Brett .

I hope he meets your expectations ....I really do Kevin Thumbs up

Good or even bad keep us all updated m8
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He's just offered me £600 for my SC fitting kit, looks like he doesn't trust his mate!

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