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ritchie-t

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Hi Guys,

Some of you might have noticed I have posted in the "wanted" section for a rear brake compensator. This is because the rod part that runs through the main spring on mine has snapped. I have an MOT coming up soon and was wondering if I took this part off would be an MOT failure?

I was thinking that if I removed the rod/spring part that works with the suspension load and just leave the compensator still on it will still function. I will just loose the ability for it to be adjusted under suspension load. I have no intention of leaving it this way, but it is hard to find just this part (and the whole unit is £150 from Peugeot). I figured it would still go through the MOT in the meantime as the brakes would still work. The tiny spring attached the the compensator arm would hod the arm back in the open position so that the fluid would reach the rear brakes.

Or am I completely wrong Dunno
Posted 10th May 2015 at 18:53
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barrym

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Not sure it would pass TBH. I believe they fail for being stuck so guess they would fail if bits were missing too

Do you still have the spring? Could you not make up a temp replacement rod out of a length of studding etc.?

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:07
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wrong, itll fail the brake test, possibly also fail for being missing

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:11
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Plus the way I think it works is the little spring holds the valve shut, meaning little or no rear brakes. The rod/spring opens the valve letting the rear brakes work progressively more with load

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:13
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My car ain't got one Smile

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:17
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Yours is a phase3 though isn't it?

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:18
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ritchie-t

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Thanks guys

barrym wrote:
Do you still have the spring? Could you not make up a temp replacement rod out of a length of studding etc.?


That is a good idea. I have only looked at it broken under the car, but I may take it off and look how I could replicate it. My car is lowered so it could be a chance to position the spring in the right place to compensate for this.

barrym wrote:
Plus the way I think it works is the little spring holds the valve shut, meaning little or no rear brakes. The rod/spring opens the valve letting the rear brakes work progressively more with load


Ahh yes I was wrong. Still The arm moves freely, so I figured that it would still open under braking?

6waysforward wrote:
My car ain't got one Smile


I assume this is because you have a phase 3? Or have you just removed it and passed MOTs this way?

welshpug! wrote:
wrong, itll fail the brake test, possibly also fail for being missing


I guess maybe I should not risk the MOT failure and make up a DIY rod. Yes

Posted 10th May 2015 at 19:30
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When it fully opens it gives limited force to the rear brakes.... When the rear is loaded the spring pushes against it keeping it closed allowing more force to the rear. If your car is lowered you should shorten the spring by about a coil.

Yes it will fail for missing parts or other types fail for the spring being missing or snapped at one end like often happens.

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Posted 10th May 2015 at 22:07
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£150 isn't that much when you consider how much it could cost by some bodge going wrong. Just a thought.

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Posted 11th May 2015 at 00:40
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After this bit?

Posted 11th May 2015 at 08:04
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thats the cleanest one I have ever seen LOL

easy enough to replicate

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Posted 11th May 2015 at 08:45
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welshpug! wrote:
thats the cleanest one I have ever seen LOL

easy enough to replicate


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Posted 11th May 2015 at 09:06
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ritchie-t

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That is exactly what I am after. Are you selling? Razz

Trying to avoid paying for a whole new compensator unit as Peugeot do not sell it separately Thumbs down
Posted 11th May 2015 at 09:20
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barrym wrote:
Yours is a phase3 though isn't it?


Yes

I do have a compensator here complete but I am unsure if it's condition as it came on a beam I bought.

Will be in the garage later so I will have a look if it's ok.

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Posted 11th May 2015 at 09:27
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ritchie-t wrote:
That is exactly what I am after. Are you selling? Razz

Trying to avoid paying for a whole new compensator unit as Peugeot do not sell it separately Thumbs down


I could send it over for you, how much are they worth? considering shipping would be about £11 (it Think it's about nzd$21.50 for small international shipping) and about two weeks wait time.

Posted 11th May 2015 at 09:33
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6waysforward - If you could let me know once you have checked that would be great. Not fussed for the condition of whole unit, just the part in the picture above. If that is in good enough condition then I would be happy.

puggitt - I have no idea how much they are worth because I have not been able to find a second hand one yet to get an idea of price. If 6waysforward does not have one worth selling then I am prepared to wait for delivery.
Posted 11th May 2015 at 13:18
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Right I have found it. It's quite rusty but it's not snapped.

I can't be assed to go through the whole picture process on here but I can email you a pic or if your on the 306 gti 6 group on Facebook, I will put a pic on there.

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Posted 11th May 2015 at 14:15
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I don't have a facebook account (i know, people say I am strange Whistle ) . Sent you a PM with my email, any chance you could email it?
Posted 11th May 2015 at 19:36
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I'm watching this to see if you want me to send this thing. Gotta post some springs to a guy locally so could package this up too and send it at the same time. Just wondering does £20 sound fair?
Posted 11th May 2015 at 23:03
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Is it that one in the picture specifically? It looks like it has no rust at all. I haven't seen the picture from 6waysforward yet, but he does mention it is rusty. That one in the picture looks pretty "none" rusty Thumbs up.

If that is the case, then I guess Paypal is best to pay with? If you want to PM me your Paypal email address I can make payment and send you my address.
Posted 12th May 2015 at 01:22
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Is indeed, have it on my lap. Pretty rust free I must say:



Did you need the bottom bracket?

Posted 12th May 2015 at 01:42
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looks good. Nope I don't need to have the the bracket. I assume it is easy enough to swap over from my old one?
Posted 12th May 2015 at 07:36
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Yeah undo the plastic nut on the top (13mm from memory) pop the black plastic clip off and pull out, push the new one into the clip and do up the nut, job jobbed.

P.s. Do you sleep lad? I have an excuse, time zone, but you weren't offline for very long LOL
Posted 12th May 2015 at 08:00
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ritchie-t

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Ha, yes I do try to sleep. I am on call a lot for my job so do get woken up in the night a fair bit Sad

When you say just take the nut off to remove the bottom bracket. Are we thinking of the same bit? I am thinking of the bit that connects to the black clip? I don't see a nut on there?

I have attached a picture. If that is what you mean then I should be OK with my rusty one if you need to keep hold of it.

Let me know what you want to do about payment Thumbs up

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Posted 12th May 2015 at 21:38
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How'd you get on with this mate?
Posted 2nd Jun 2015 at 22:31
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