Post #26
Getting a master cylinder on the 306 would be a piece of p**s IF the engine is out. If not, it will be a prick of a job. The cable end was only a lash together until the engine came out (which it never did because the car was sold) but it worked very very well tbh.
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 Niall
Seasoned Pro  Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 17:10
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #27
I was looking at my pedal box last night after this thread came up. I would imagine I could get a hole in the top of the pedal arm to connect the rod of a master cylinder to.Maybe using something like the ap master cylinders that are bulkhead mounted.. or even of those in the engine bay, going through the bulkhead. And as long as it was the pull type master cylinder, it would just be a case of getting it close enough to the pivot point so as to not pull too far. I was curious at how to set the adjustment at the box end on the slave tho? Obviously it doesn't want to push too far, so is it just trial and error at mounting it to see where it's going to be? Knowing the maximum travel of the rod would help I suppose... |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 17:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #28
it is a fair bit of guesswork to get it right indeed, though so far all the ones I've seen have been very much a try it and see if it works, they did first time, or appear to anyway!206 is a good MC to use, two bolt flange fixing not too long on the engine side, metal pushrod that can be modified to take a rose joint or clevis.  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 23:07
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Interesting. That looks nice and compact.From what you have done before, would you bolt that through the bulkhead? And is the 206 one you pictured a pull type cylinder derived, so can be attached above the pivot as per the cable setup? Or is it a push cylinder? I can't see I would have room to mount a cylinder inside the foot well above the pedal to use a conventional push cylinder simply attached to the pedal. I assume getting that end adjusted to say an inch of travel, for example, on the pedal probably isn't too bad. As for the slave end on the box, if one were to be attached at the front of the box, facing back towards the rear of the car, could you see it working with the standard be3 clutch arm? As probably said previously, with a cup to locate the rod in the part where the cable usually attaches, could the hydro setup actually work that arm successfully? |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 07:02
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #30
yeah essentially stick a hole in the pedal box and bolt it on, its a push type so needs to be below the pivot not above.I think the pull slave I saw ont he MA box was mounted in the standard place as such so used the normal full length arm on a push clutch. a BE box on an XU I think you may be able to use a BE4 hydraulic casing from a DW, as long as the angle is correct, or adapt a BE1 or early BE3 casing as they still cater for the ball pivot clutch fork without modifying the casing. OR, as mentioned you can use a concentric slave and drill a hole for the hoses. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 12:05
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #31
I suppose mounting below the pivot point wouldn't be so much of a problem... Was the pull slave cylinder also a 206 it en? I assume that is a better plan of attack rather than a push type mounted at the front pushing the clutch arm back? Easier to adjust if it's a pull type with a 205 cable type nut adjustment... Definitely seems doable with a few measurements. I had looked at the hydraulic release bearings, but didn't want to effort of machining the box for bolting it in. I might see if I can find the appropriate master cylinder and slave on ebay or the like, and see what will fit where... ad lo get as mounting poi ts can be sorted, then running a couple of pipes and a remote reservoir is simple. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 13:11
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #32
no it was a wilwood unit.with the concentric unit you wouldnt need to machine the box itself, but make an input shaft seal carrier of appropriate dimensions, this bolts on, thats if the standard one wouldnt be usable. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 13:16
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #33
I think the concentric unit would be out of the question as I'd rather do it all in situ if I'm going to look at it. The car has been off the road long enough! So now it's back together it's staying that way.As it was mentioned in an earlier post, is there much hassle finding the right connecting ends to make up a hose to go from master to slave? Or are they very Peugeot specific? |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 13:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #34
I think they are specific and use adapted peugeot hoses, I will ask Goliath.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 15:20
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Cool. be interested to hear some info on what's used. I guess using an ap master cylinder or similar will make it easier to make a custom braided line for it. I only had a quick look at the wildwood pull slave cylinders, and just saw one with 2 ends as such? Does that sound correct? But any info on which one you've known to be used would be good also. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 16:37
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #36
welshpug! wrote: it is a fair bit of guesswork to get it right indeed, though so far all the ones I've seen have been very much a try it and see if it works, they did first time, or appear to anyway! 206 is a good MC to use, two bolt flange fixing not too long on the engine side, metal pushrod that can be modified to take a rose joint or clevis. Straight onto top of the clutch pedal with a rose joint/ hole drilled? ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 16:09
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Saturdays Going to be a scrap yard rummage day for me a feel...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 16:09
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Actually looking at the dimensions of the Wilwood pull type cylinder, im not sure I would actually have room to run it...?It looks like it would be easy enough to make up some mounts for it, but I don't think it would fit between my gearbox and the gearbox mount!  |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 17:09
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #39
I have a 206 MC and SC sitting here with a length of pipe and the connector on people can have for a little bit plus delivery. Make me an offer  If you can fit it in the bulkhead (engine out) then it would be very easy. Cut hole, bolt it in and just drill a hole in the side of the pedal to fix the shaft to. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 17:16
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #40
Got a pic?I've got a SC on my box as it's hydro already ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 17:41
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Its identical to the one you have put a pic up of above mate. Just with about 4 inch of pipe with it with the stupid connector on the end |
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Posted 26th Feb 2015 at 17:50
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Has anyone actually seen a master cylinder successfully bolted to the bulkhead, to then attach to the clutch pedal? Having looked on the rally car, and also the spare shell, the ideal place for it to bolt on, falls right on the join with the big plate, holding the pedals, and where that attaches to the shell. To make anything up to fit around that area, appears to need more fabrication work that a 'simple' bolting on of a MC... Or am I looking at it too complicated? The box end looks easy now with a pull slave, so maybe I am looking at it the wrong way at the pedal end? |
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