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| Author | Subject: Has anyone done a hydraulic clutch conversions? |
 Puggitt
Regular  Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Was wondering if anyone has gotten rid of the cable for a full hydraulic system on a 6 box or 5 speed HDI box. I know the v6 conversion uses a hydraulic clutch, but the slave cylinder is apart of the box. Thinking of going to a willwood dual-circuit swing pedal box so wondering if getting the full box or just the brake pedal option is the way to go. Self capable of fitting/making fit some modifications (part of a mk2 duratec escort rally car over here in New Zealand) |
 Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 18:28
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #2
I expect there are some standard cars, maybe with a BE4 box that use hydraulics as standard________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 18:46
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calibra306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Gravesend, Kent Registered: 06 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,315 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Got a full hydro in my v6 which im breaking if ya after anythink________________________________________ V6 Power!Faster I can go the better! Its not what you drive, its how you drive that wins the race! |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 19:37
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #4
How much do the be series gearboxes change between the 3/4/5? I do like the 6 speed so if I could retro fit a slave on the housing, make up a new lever arm etc |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 19:38
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Niall
Seasoned Pro  Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Made something on a mates XSI that worked very well. 206 slave cylinder mounted on top of the box. a "cup" mounted in the clutch arm on the box which the head of the piston sat in so when the pedal was pressed, it pushed the arm forwards. Simples. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 19:52
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Niall wrote: Made something on a mates XSI that worked very well. 206 slave cylinder mounted on top of the box. a "cup" mounted in the clutch arm on the box which the head of the piston sat in so when the pedal was pressed, it pushed the arm forwards. Simples. Yeah that was my train of thought too. How hard was it to mount the slave cyl. to the box? |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 19:59
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Quite simple. The slave cylinder has two mounting holes. We cut up a plate which bolted on using the gearbox to block bolts then welded two M8 nuts to the plate. Bolted the cylinder to these nuts and job jobbed.If you use the 206 slave and master, you need a section of the pipe as they have a very odd connector on them In fact, i have both in the shed i was going to use to do a conversion on mine but never bothered. Want to make an offer? |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 20:05
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #8
i was gonna say make one where the release bearing is the slave cylinder but i dunno if u can with a standard gti6. i know u can with a push clutch. however whats wrong a cable??________________________________________ |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 20:15
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #9
In that's case could really used any slave cyl. that has easy mounts, and make a push rod if necessary. Postage to NZ is the killer on your offer unfortunately.As for the hydraulic release bearing, could get a HDI pressure plate, it's a push type. I think we have some spares from the escort too, so I might look into it aswell as the slave and pushrod. Nothing wrong with the cable, just looking at a willwood pedal boxes, for a dual circuit brake system (means I can also toss the brake booster for nice firm pedal  ) So I'm seeing if I can sort out a hydraulic clutch system and use the full pedal box or if I try fit the brake only option and fit that to the current steering column/pedal box |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 20:40
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #10
if i wanted a hydraulic clutch id make it 100 percent all hydraulic n levers or rods. ________________________________________ |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 21:08
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #11
ebay231086302977this wat we used on gavs maxi r5 ________________________________________ |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 21:13
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Tbh i see it as an advantage using the slave outside of the box instead of a slave release bearing. If it starts leaking, its not a box off job and the 206 clutches are no less smooth than a car with a hydro release bearing. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 21:17
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #13
just looks neater i think. less bits n less to go wrong. put a dry brake coupling in there and if u need to take the box out u will never need to bleed the clutch when u refit.________________________________________ |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 21:34
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Thing is, how often do the clutch release arms on 6's go wrong? They are very simple. I know hydro release bearings are fairly reliable and chances of them going are slim but they still do and if it was me, i would rather have brake fluid sprayed over my engine bay and spend 20 minutes changing the slave rather than a day whipping the box off and fitting a new clutch. Thats just me thoughI don't think it would be difficult to do a hydro slave on a 306 tbh. There is a lot of room to run a line out of the box. Just need to find a suitable release bearing. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 21:41
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #15
why do you say 'Suitable release bearing?' How will the hydro clutch require a different release bearing if I go your route and use a slave cylinder setup? Something to do with less return travel? But the 6 pull release bearing never disengages the spinning mass anyway, Or is it a pressure/strength issue, or did I miss the point completely? |
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Posted 24th Feb 2015 at 23:38
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Any pictures of the setup on the xsi Nill? Would be interested to see how you put it all together. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 00:02
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Pugitt i think youve missed what I'm sayingTheres two ways of going about this. First is the way me and my mate did with an external slave cylinder operating the clutch release arm. Second way of doing it which is more common on newer cars is the release bearing its self is hydraulically operated. This second method is a tidier setup but if it starts leaking, its inside the box so its a box off job and chances are it will contaminate the clutch. With the external cylinder, it may be a bit messier but still perfectly acceptable (standard on a lot of cars including the 206 where i got the parts from) and means if the slave starts leaking, its a 20 minute job to change it. Devere, ill ask him for some pics  |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 07:00
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Niall wrote: Pugitt i think youve missed what I'm saying Theres two ways of going about this. First is the way me and my mate did with an external slave cylinder operating the clutch release arm. Second way of doing it which is more common on newer cars is the release bearing its self is hydraulically operated. This second method is a tidier setup but if it starts leaking, its inside the box so its a box off job and chances are it will contaminate the clutch. With the external cylinder, it may be a bit messier but still perfectly acceptable (standard on a lot of cars including the 206 where i got the parts from) and means if the slave starts leaking, its a 20 minute job to change it. Devere, ill ask him for some pics I would probably go external as it'll be able to be done in situ' with running lines, fitting components, etc. saves getting a new/ different clutch. I got a bit confused with you saying a suitable release bearing, I thought you meant for the system you were talking about, opposed to the hydro release bearing setup. Oh yes some pictures would be great!! Do that |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 07:52
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pug_306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Great Hockham Registered: 28 May 2013 Posts: 1,592 Status: Offline |
Post #19
devere wrote: Any pictures of the setup on the xsi Nill? Would be interested to see how you put it all together. Ebay Link, Was a nice conversion pedal felt good :-) Clicky ________________________________________ 1998 Supercharged White Rallye1992 205 GTi6 205 Turbo 340bhp |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 08:13
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Puggitt
Regular Location: New Zealand Registered: 07 May 2012 Posts: 293 Status: Offline |
Post #20
pug_306 wrote: devere wrote: Any pictures of the setup on the xsi Nill? Would be interested to see how you put it all together. Ebay Link, Was a nice conversion pedal felt good :-) Clicky That's pretty cool. Looks very complicated as a cable over hydro system but the slave setup is worth depositing into the memory bank for later  |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 09:10
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #21
if youve still got the cable whats the point.very over engineered for something thats not broken ________________________________________ |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 10:17
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #22
WTF?! lolmore work f**king about making that abomination than just making a direct hydro setup! Phase2 xsara hdi used Hydro setup, easiest to use bits from that arrangement if its an XU engine, or EW even. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 10:30
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #23
How would the xsara setup fit then mei? I've not seen it to see what would be involved? I guess that isn't a be box?I've always toyed with the idea of a hydro setup rather than the modified cable Ive got on. With the above linked setup in the eBay ad, could a pull type master cylinder not be used rather than a push type? Or would it not be possible to get the right pedal to stroke ratio on the cylinder? |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 10:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #24
yeah the xsara is still a BE box, its a BE4 with a clutch arm much like the BE1 205 if you know that.I have seen an MA box with a wilwood pull slave in a C2 silhouette grasstrack car, that would be one option for the BE3 type arm. specifically the conversions i've seen and helped fit so far have used a 206 master on a modified pedal and pedal box hooked up to a D9 406 / C5 ML slave (D8 dont have bleed nipples) from what I recall the Phase2 xsara bulkhead and pedal box is different to the 306, so as to the specifics of making that fit a 306 I'm not certain on that end. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 12:39
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #25
I've got to convert my 309 to hydraulic clutch. Just got to do the pipework and pedal end due to the Civic box being hydro already. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 25th Feb 2015 at 17:01
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