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scotzman

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Post #26
Tidy engine bay that, looks less cluttered than standard. Smile

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Posted 28th Oct 2013 at 09:06
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Any more news on this?Dunno

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Posted 28th Oct 2013 at 23:11
rallyeash

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give us a chance! haha

the last update with the engine going in was the weekend, last night we sorted the fuel side out and tied up a few loose ends.

we swapped the plugs for 8 grades, rather than the 6's that came in it. We checked for a spark which it had, we had fuel and from cranking it would appear to have good compression.
it was then the nervous part to see if it started. After a few seconds of crank it fired up!!
Granted it wasn't running crisp, the revs were all over the place and the fuelling was way of but still a step in the right direction.

couple of pics
Plate fits above the radiator. keep the hot air away from the bodies and keep air channelled through the radiators.



grill fitted back on


bonnet doesn't now shut! changed from 1 gti6 engine to another and now the TB's foul the bonnet. how strange.



tonight's is finish of the front brakes and bleed system, sort the bonnet closing issue and load it on the trailer and take it back to Craigs house as he'll be heading down to Cornwall tomorrow evening with it! I have to say im a little nervous!

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Posted 29th Oct 2013 at 08:31
eddy_gti6

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Post #29
Looks awesome. Non sunroof model i see too. Look forward to more updates

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Posted 29th Oct 2013 at 20:29
rallyeash

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Got the car finished wednesday evening and a few Laps around the carpark it was loaded onto the trailer ready to head to Cornwall.

Craig went on his own Thursday morning and was down with sandy before 9am ready for the rollers. I couldn't make it due to working unfortunatly. Soon ran into problems, Sandy started mapping the car and from what I understand the engine kept on wanting fuel after lifting off. Turns out there was a air leak from the inlet manifold, this was removed to investigate which led to a trip upto colins to plain the surface flat as it wasnt sealing square.
That sorted and up and running sandy started mapping and after doing the lower end of the rev range he wasn't happy with how the engine was performing. After a few hours of tryin to map around the issue it was confirmed that the engine has too much compression and Sandy didn't feel comfortable/safe to continue.

Loaded back on the trailer and back to Wiltshire the cars sat on Craig's drive with this compression issue. We haven't had a chance to do anything about it yet but the options are...
Sell the engine (probably in parts) and get another lump sourced. Potentially a sandy build or a standard gti6 lump (bit of a step back)

Or to find the reason why the compression is too high. May be able to have the pistons machined down or something to achieve the correct compression - Full strip down and rebuild required :-(

Not sure which way we are guna go with it but it's certainly not going to be at Oulton this Friday.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 16:31
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Post #31
Such a shame I was hoping to get a good look at this..... Maybe next time! :-(

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 19:54
prism7guy

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Post #32
Sad

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:06
rallyeash

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Post #33
Well. I say it won't be there. I've found a cammed 6 engine that we could collect tomorrow. Get it fitted tomorrow evening and mapped this week and ready for Oulton...

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:07
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Post #34
I thought the engine had been stripped down and checked over dude ?
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:09
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Post #35
Your mates bank balance has took a big hit on this project I admire hes determination Smile

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:09
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What was the compression figures ?
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:13
rallyeash

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I don't know the compression figures as of yet.

Yeah the engine was stripped, head sent off for pressure testing and bottom end re assembled.
Didn't work out or calculate the compression ratio. Ran well and drove ok around the yard.
I can only assume its the compatability of the pistons/rods/cams with either to much height from the pistons/rods or head skimmed a large amount.
I haven't spoken to sandy to what he thinks.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:21
devere

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Out of interest, what plugs do you go for? I assume they are aimed at almost purely the track work?
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:56
rallyeash

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I run BCR8ES NGK plugs.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 21:16
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Ash it prob needs a decomp plate or thicker head gasket ? I think Shanpar had a plate or something on the original engine ? Check the invoice I gave you guys ? Should be simple to rectify
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 09:21
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Such a shame about the compression issue, how it gets sorted out soon!

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Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:05
rallyeash

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Will have Nick Owens old piper cammed gti6 engine in our hands shortly. This will be fitted and mapped until such time the higher spec engine has the correct compression then the cammed engine can be sold on.

Tonight's plan is after work ill meet up with Craig, tow the 205 back to my work and pull the engine out as quick as possible, swap all the bits over inc the PTS sump and get it fitted with the intention of if it runs well enough prior to mapping for Craig to drive it home weather it's 12pm or 3am we finish. This will then put 45 miles on the clock before it heading down to Cornwall Wednesday/Thursday and a
Oulton park trackday on Friday!

As you can probably tell we're not a bunch of quitters...!

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Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:20
rallyeash

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bigbadbowen wrote:
Ash it prob needs a decomp plate or thicker head gasket ? I think Shanpar had a plate or something on the original engine ? Check the invoice I gave you guys ? Should be simple to rectify


We're not giving up on this engine and will get it sorted over winter and fitted back in the car. We want it done right and the way were doing it by chucking another engine in to get it running takes off the pressure.

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Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:21
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rallyeash wrote:
Will have Nick Owens old piper cammed gti6 engine in our hands shortly. This will be fitted and mapped until such time the higher spec engine has the correct compression then the cammed engine can be sold on.

Tonight's plan is after work ill meet up with Craig, tow the 205 back to my work and pull the engine out as quick as possible, swap all the bits over inc the PTS sump and get it fitted with the intention of if it runs well enough prior to mapping for Craig to drive it home weather it's 12pm or 3am we finish. This will then put 45 miles on the clock before it heading down to Cornwall Wednesday/Thursday and a
Oulton park trackday on Friday!

As you can probably tell we're not a bunch of quitters...!

Now that is what i call hardcore! Shock Good luck lads hope to see you at Oulton on Friday!! Thumbs up

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Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 15:58
rallyeash

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I'll be there in my 205 whatever. If craigs 205 has problems he'll most likely track the road car. Honda S2000...

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Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 16:42
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Always handy having mates to hand who know what they are doing so you can get the job done! Good look with this other engine. Hopefully see you through friday Thumbs up

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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 06:12
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Post #47
right then....

last nights progress.
We got the car back at the workshop about 7pm, and pretty quickly, by 9pm had the engine out and on the deck....




which then needed a fair few bits swapping over.
PTS baffle sump and PTS converted oil pump, flywheel, clutch, coil pack, various other bits of pipework/fittings/pipework then the gearbox fitted, new driveshaft seals etc.
this was around 12pm last night.

back on its mounts



we cracked on and got everything fitted back on, exhaust mani, throttle bodies, coolant pipework, wiring, driveshafts etc etc. Before we knew it it was 3am and we thought better pack up and go home to bed. was just after 4am this morning I walked through the door and back to work this morning!

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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 10:54
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Post #48
red bull cans keeping you awake LOL

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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:04
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Post #49
yeah!
we were chain drinking coffee/redbull. it was good while working on the car but when I got into bed I couldn't sleep!

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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:08
rallyeash

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how it looks this morning.


as you can see its pretty much done, just a few little finishing items. the oil catch tank will be sorted but to get it running for oulton it'll be a drinks bottle...

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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:11

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