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'90 1.6 205 GTi, '98 306 GTi-6
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Author | Subject: Another 205 track car build! |
scotzman
Seasoned Pro Location: Dundee Registered: 24 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,408 Status: Offline |
Post #26
Tidy engine bay that, looks less cluttered than standard. ________________________________________ '90 1.6 205 GTi, '98 306 GTi-6 |
Posted 28th Oct 2013 at 09:06
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Any more news on this? ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 28th Oct 2013 at 23:11
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #28
give us a chance! hahathe last update with the engine going in was the weekend, last night we sorted the fuel side out and tied up a few loose ends. we swapped the plugs for 8 grades, rather than the 6's that came in it. We checked for a spark which it had, we had fuel and from cranking it would appear to have good compression. it was then the nervous part to see if it started. After a few seconds of crank it fired up!! Granted it wasn't running crisp, the revs were all over the place and the fuelling was way of but still a step in the right direction. couple of pics Plate fits above the radiator. keep the hot air away from the bodies and keep air channelled through the radiators. grill fitted back on bonnet doesn't now shut! changed from 1 gti6 engine to another and now the TB's foul the bonnet. how strange. tonight's is finish of the front brakes and bleed system, sort the bonnet closing issue and load it on the trailer and take it back to Craigs house as he'll be heading down to Cornwall tomorrow evening with it! I have to say im a little nervous! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 29th Oct 2013 at 08:31
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Looks awesome. Non sunroof model i see too. Look forward to more updates________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 29th Oct 2013 at 20:29
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Got the car finished wednesday evening and a few Laps around the carpark it was loaded onto the trailer ready to head to Cornwall. Craig went on his own Thursday morning and was down with sandy before 9am ready for the rollers. I couldn't make it due to working unfortunatly. Soon ran into problems, Sandy started mapping the car and from what I understand the engine kept on wanting fuel after lifting off. Turns out there was a air leak from the inlet manifold, this was removed to investigate which led to a trip upto colins to plain the surface flat as it wasnt sealing square. That sorted and up and running sandy started mapping and after doing the lower end of the rev range he wasn't happy with how the engine was performing. After a few hours of tryin to map around the issue it was confirmed that the engine has too much compression and Sandy didn't feel comfortable/safe to continue. Loaded back on the trailer and back to Wiltshire the cars sat on Craig's drive with this compression issue. We haven't had a chance to do anything about it yet but the options are... Sell the engine (probably in parts) and get another lump sourced. Potentially a sandy build or a standard gti6 lump (bit of a step back) Or to find the reason why the compression is too high. May be able to have the pistons machined down or something to achieve the correct compression - Full strip down and rebuild required :-( Not sure which way we are guna go with it but it's certainly not going to be at Oulton this Friday. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 16:31
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Such a shame I was hoping to get a good look at this..... Maybe next time! :-(________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 19:54
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:06
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Well. I say it won't be there. I've found a cammed 6 engine that we could collect tomorrow. Get it fitted tomorrow evening and mapped this week and ready for Oulton...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:07
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #34
I thought the engine had been stripped down and checked over dude ? |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:09
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jimmyrallye
Seasoned Pro Location: portsmouth Registered: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 3,144 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Your mates bank balance has took a big hit on this project I admire hes determination ________________________________________ "Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off." |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:09
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #36
What was the compression figures ? |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:13
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #37
I don't know the compression figures as of yet. Yeah the engine was stripped, head sent off for pressure testing and bottom end re assembled. Didn't work out or calculate the compression ratio. Ran well and drove ok around the yard. I can only assume its the compatability of the pistons/rods/cams with either to much height from the pistons/rods or head skimmed a large amount. I haven't spoken to sandy to what he thinks. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:21
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devere
Senior User Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Out of interest, what plugs do you go for? I assume they are aimed at almost purely the track work? |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 20:56
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #39
I run BCR8ES NGK plugs. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 3rd Nov 2013 at 21:16
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #40
Ash it prob needs a decomp plate or thicker head gasket ? I think Shanpar had a plate or something on the original engine ? Check the invoice I gave you guys ? Should be simple to rectify |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 09:21
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Such a shame about the compression issue, how it gets sorted out soon!________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<< 2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:05
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Will have Nick Owens old piper cammed gti6 engine in our hands shortly. This will be fitted and mapped until such time the higher spec engine has the correct compression then the cammed engine can be sold on.Tonight's plan is after work ill meet up with Craig, tow the 205 back to my work and pull the engine out as quick as possible, swap all the bits over inc the PTS sump and get it fitted with the intention of if it runs well enough prior to mapping for Craig to drive it home weather it's 12pm or 3am we finish. This will then put 45 miles on the clock before it heading down to Cornwall Wednesday/Thursday and a Oulton park trackday on Friday! As you can probably tell we're not a bunch of quitters...! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:20
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #43
bigbadbowen wrote: Ash it prob needs a decomp plate or thicker head gasket ? I think Shanpar had a plate or something on the original engine ? Check the invoice I gave you guys ? Should be simple to rectify We're not giving up on this engine and will get it sorted over winter and fitted back in the car. We want it done right and the way were doing it by chucking another engine in to get it running takes off the pressure. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 14:21
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #44
rallyeash wrote: Will have Nick Owens old piper cammed gti6 engine in our hands shortly. This will be fitted and mapped until such time the higher spec engine has the correct compression then the cammed engine can be sold on. Tonight's plan is after work ill meet up with Craig, tow the 205 back to my work and pull the engine out as quick as possible, swap all the bits over inc the PTS sump and get it fitted with the intention of if it runs well enough prior to mapping for Craig to drive it home weather it's 12pm or 3am we finish. This will then put 45 miles on the clock before it heading down to Cornwall Wednesday/Thursday and a Oulton park trackday on Friday! As you can probably tell we're not a bunch of quitters...! Now that is what i call hardcore! Good luck lads hope to see you at Oulton on Friday!! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 15:58
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #45
I'll be there in my 205 whatever. If craigs 205 has problems he'll most likely track the road car. Honda S2000...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 4th Nov 2013 at 16:42
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Always handy having mates to hand who know what they are doing so you can get the job done! Good look with this other engine. Hopefully see you through friday ________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 06:12
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #47
right then....last nights progress. We got the car back at the workshop about 7pm, and pretty quickly, by 9pm had the engine out and on the deck.... which then needed a fair few bits swapping over. PTS baffle sump and PTS converted oil pump, flywheel, clutch, coil pack, various other bits of pipework/fittings/pipework then the gearbox fitted, new driveshaft seals etc. this was around 12pm last night. back on its mounts we cracked on and got everything fitted back on, exhaust mani, throttle bodies, coolant pipework, wiring, driveshafts etc etc. Before we knew it it was 3am and we thought better pack up and go home to bed. was just after 4am this morning I walked through the door and back to work this morning! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 10:54
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #48
red bull cans keeping you awake ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:04
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #49
yeah! we were chain drinking coffee/redbull. it was good while working on the car but when I got into bed I couldn't sleep! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:08
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #50
how it looks this morning.as you can see its pretty much done, just a few little finishing items. the oil catch tank will be sorted but to get it running for oulton it'll be a drinks bottle... ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 11:11
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