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pete_rallye

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Anyone recognise this? At first glance it looks similar to a 205 one, but the ball joint hole is m14 fine thread I think, and the distance between the shock hole and the hub face is longer than on a 306, as is the distance between the brake caliper holes and the hub face... It could be 405, I remember the guy telling me when I bought the car they were used on the Grp A 306s for better geometry, although I'm not sure how or why it improves it... anyone?!

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 11:59

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Could be from, if I remember, a French Peugeot 205. Obviously they are all French, but you know what I mean... I believe some of them had about 10mm more offset than normal. I am not certain if that was for all of them over there, or not. But im pretty sure someone I know said that's where they had there hubs from, and that they are nearly impossible to find now.

I could be totally wrong though, as it was a while ago I had the conversation!

Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 12:34

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That sounds familiar actually, especially the part whereby they are nearly impossible to get hold of, I remember him telling me that! 10mm sounds about right too... Might put them on my touring car and see what happens!

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 12:47

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Not 405 afaik. IT DOES LOOK VERY SIMILAR THOUGH. I have some here, but the casting has cut out for abs sensor to fit.

Judging by the ridge of weld, it could possibly be a modified abs 205 hub?

Don't quote me on that, as I don't know how abs sensor was mounted on them

Welshpug may know

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:04

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The weld above the ball joint? I thought that looked not standard too, might just be a plate welded on to stop s**t getting into the thread.

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:06

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If you look at post #64 and on of my resto thread, you get an idea what 405 hub looks

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:10

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see what you mean, they do look similar. I'll have a look see if there's any sign of the abs sensor bracket been chopped off...

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:16

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I can see it now!

Plate has been welded in as strengthener.

So, it could be non abs 405 hub Hmm

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:36

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Yup, looks like a non abs early 405 hub. 306 brakes wont fit that

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 13:56

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But 406 brembos with there proper discs will iirc.

Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 16:32

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Yup, but most wheels pete has i doubt will fit due to the lower offset disc.

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 16:52

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Actually the wheels I have run 12mm spacers so these might work nicely, and I have a set of AP brakes to fit the hubs. Might do some back to back comparisons when my cars running again see which feel best.

Just reading up on effects of scrub radius, kingpin angle and all that stuff. seems a positive scrub radius, that these hubs would give me, could make the car more unstable under heavy braking amongst other things so maybe I'll stick to the 306 ones.

Which then makes me wonder why they used them on the grp a 306's. Only thing I can think is there is more clearance between the ball joint and the disc, which I know a few people have struggled with...?

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 23:01

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stronger lower balljoint connection possibly, I remember these cars being quite wayward under braking, but the drivers loved that and used it to their advantage.

the main thing with these hubs is that the Balljoint pivot is a lot lower, so the wishbones sit effectively level when the ride height is lower, this will have an effect on bump steer.

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 23:11

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Well if they can manage to brake ok on a rally stage I'm sure I'll cope on a circuit. My 306 hubs have nice little adaptors to get the same effect regards bump steer. Might weigh them all and see which setup is lightest...

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Posted 1st Sep 2013 at 23:15

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could be a fix up job with that weld...

ive done something vaguley similar with an ovaled balljoint clasp part on my xsi's hubs

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Posted 2nd Sep 2013 at 02:10

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Yep it's an early 405 hub. Is there a balljoint and a rose joint? Or has the large hole in the hub been modded to accept a bolt?
As WP says, the 405 hub has a better positioned BBJ/steering arm for lower cars and they're stronger in that area. The wishbones will be a fair bit longer to compensate for the different offset of the hub.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2013 at 05:30

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Ahh just re-read, it's obviously had an insert fitted in the BBJ hole to take a bolt, or gunked up with weld.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2013 at 05:37

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307 hubs are very similar and were used on the r2 spec c2 rally cars, happens to be the same hub that satchell engineering use on their 106/saxo suspension kits, and they use the 405/6 hubs on the 205 setup.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2013 at 07:23

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