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 jammapic
Senior User  Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #51
Forward planning really, and just to beef it up a bit. Engines I've played with in the past have always either picked up a bottom end bearing, or snapped rod bolts. Prevention is cheaper than the cure!JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
 Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 19:21
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #52
coskev wrote: welshpug! wrote: its a rolling road, therefore an educated quesstimate at best, a wild stab in the dark at worst! So what do the tuning gods use to record bhp?  Race results! Which mr schofield has too  I had the pie and chips last time I went, was superb  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 20:20
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #53
tuning gods aren't interested in the numbers, they're interested in the curve, and of course the results, and on top of that if they actually are half decent, reliability.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 20:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #54
fook me, just read the spec, DE ADVANCE THE CAMS IMMEADIATELY!!!!________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 20:30
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #55
Why so? Seems to make good power and no valve piston contact... It's only a couple of degrees as well tbh. JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 20:38
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #56
Also, had them like that for about 2000 miles, Wayne didn't even need to touch them as they were making good power. JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 20:55
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #57
welshpug! wrote: tuning gods aren't interested in the numbers, they're interested in the curve, and of course the results, and on top of that if they actually are half decent, reliability. Curve looks good to me. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 21:19
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mr west
Senior User  Location: herts Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 742 Status: Offline |
Post #58
jammapic wrote: Ok: Long life 2.5" exhaust, 200cell sports cat Head gasket done by cg cars Bosch plugs Lightweight pulleys Air con delete ARP rod bolts Big end bearings Jenvey 45's on Longmans manifolds Open 60mm trumpets Fuel pressure reg set at 3.5bar Advanced cam timing Chip Wizards mapping That's about it for the engine side of things I think. hmm, what did you do with the throttle position sensor etc, would love to see some good pics of how it looks under there.  ________________________________________ white rallyecherry dead rallye s16 |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 22:38
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #59
Just wired a superseal plug onto the loom on the bodies and car. Plugged straight up and mapped!________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 22:56
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mr west
Senior User Location: herts Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 742 Status: Offline |
Post #60
Did you use the jenvey linkages. This is all very interesting________________________________________ white rallyecherry dead rallye s16 |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 23:38
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #61
jammapic wrote: Just wired a superseal plug onto the loom on the bodies and car. Plugged straight up and mapped! If your happy with it ....fair play .!!!! Your the one that counts |
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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 23:54
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gilesy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Greenwich - in that London Registered: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5,133 Status: Offline |
Post #62
welshpug! wrote: fook me, just read the spec, DE ADVANCE THE CAMS IMMEADIATELY!!!! This reminded me of Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day  |
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Posted 1st Aug 2013 at 00:12
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #63
OK... so you wanted to see how it looks under the bonnet... A battered set of Jenveys and my pikey wiring:   and my filters which lose me 8hp! lol  JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 13:03
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blandy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #64
What's the thoughts behind the cam timing change? As been said most only hit around 180bhp with a similar set up and only break 200 with cams so whatever youve done must have a hige effect as guessing his rollers are regrded as fairly acurate if he does the charger maps etc.. I had similar filters on mine and was warned off them by the mappers after they had a car suck in a individual sock type filter lol I think that's the main reason against them type as the other filters are mesh backed so prevent this. |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 13:16
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #65
Can't say how accurate the dyno is, but seeing the car with exhaust, sports cat, k&n filter and timing tweaks ran 177hp i'd say it's probably there or there abouts, maybe a couple of hp over - but certainly not excessive.I've just been out for a hoon in the car now, and it's running great. Sounds excellent... I agree, these filters are crap. I've got a Pipercross sausage filter to sick on at some point, but I need to move the PAS pump. JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 13:19
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #66
I take it that you will be removing that pressure gauge soon, as I doubt a footpump gauge is designed to have fuel running though it Would be interesting for you to get hold of a Satchell DCOE inlet and do a back to back, as they are known to give much better midrange as well as a significant peak increase over the Jenvey inlet, guarantee a true 200 might not need to move the pas pump with the Longer inlet either. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 13:39
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #67
I have seen those before welshpug, but only every attached to bodies etc - so hard to get hold of.Yes, the gauge is coming out next time I lift the bonnet - just waiting for a blanking plug to turn up. Truth be told, the inlet length isnt long enough for peak performance really, I was going to put longer trumpets on it as I'm getting some pretty bad reversion / fuel standoff and you can see from the dyno plots it goes a bit wobbly! JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 13:41
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #68
no I meant the more recent ones, made from a donor gti6 inlet, I think miles may stock them, but I got mine made by Satchell engineering direct, they cost the same as a jenvey inlet!trumpet shape has a fair bearing on how they behave too, I think from talking to sandy the longer jenveys aren't ideal, hence sandy usually using ones that colin makes which have a tighter radius, not too dissimilar to the short ones you already have as it happens. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 14:24
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #69
Ok, useful to know. So you think a set of the longer manifolds matched with the setup I already have should pick up some midrange and a few peak hp? JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 14:46
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #70
from miles's reports and the results Sandy and a few of the 205ers running satchell/brown setups definitely.http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=105821&page=24 blue line is Kev's engine, yellow is kate's. the main one that highlights the difference is the torque, the dark blue line hump tracking about 10-30 lbft more than the purple line kev has satchell inlet, kate has shorter one, kev has milder cams, longer exhaust manifold.  figures at the wheels btw, though not a calibrated RR, both around 185 ish peak at 6750 from 1.9 MI16's, but there's no doubt at all that kev's will be quite a bit quicker. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 14:57
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #71
Jeepers, thats a fair old gain right there... Some more midrange would be great tbh.JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 15:15
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mr west
Senior User Location: herts Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 742 Status: Offline |
Post #72
Great thread. I'll be looking out for second hand jenvey now. And might make my own manifold from a standard one. Wonder if any one else can/will map the standard ecu for this set up. As I live near Cambridge Wayne is a fair old treck from me________________________________________ white rallyecherry dead rallye s16 |
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Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 14:35
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mr west
Senior User Location: herts Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 742 Status: Offline |
Post #73
Great thread. I'll be looking out for second hand jenvey now. And might make my own manifold from a standard one. Wonder if any one else can/will map the standard ecu for this set up. As I live near Cambridge Wayne is a fair old treck from me________________________________________ white rallyecherry dead rallye s16 |
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Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 14:50
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #74
I know he sometimes does work down your way... If I were you, I'd give him a ring and ask!JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 14:53
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mr west
Senior User Location: herts Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 742 Status: Offline |
Post #75
O really. Thanks I will do when I have some parts together. No point till then really________________________________________ white rallyecherry dead rallye s16 |
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Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 14:57
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