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 rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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205 kicking some ass...If it wasn't for traffic would of been long gone. He was really giving it everything. Both on R888's at that point too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoWNZiDdQc4&feature=youtube_gdata_player ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
 Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 10:45
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blandy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
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Your 205 looks really impressive on track |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 10:59
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:03
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maybe
Regular  Location: Leicester Registered: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 385 Status: Offline |
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rallyeash wrote: 205 kicking some ass... If it wasn't for traffic would of been long gone. He was really giving it everything. Both on R888's at that point too He was really giving it everything? Or he couldn't drive for s**t? He about destroyed his engine downshifting like that! You look fast but in the right hands that car has far more than a pug ever will. It'll be another case of got the cash but can't drive, so let buy a super fast car and get caned by a 205! |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:10
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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Your 205 looking looks well composed Don't really agree on kicking his arse though!  When you did get clear runs he was keeping with you on accelaration,he didn't have as much confidence as you in fast bends though. Also he lets the revs drop too low for a bec in the corners, dropping out of the power range of engine. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:17
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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He could drive but he said he was struggling to always find the right gears on the downshift. Yeah I would push through the bends harder but still. That was my first time at mallory. Straight line speed I was a little quicker but he normally had a better run being not directly behind traffic. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:29
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro  Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
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Tbh it didn't even look like Ash was trying so I'd say he did kick some ass. That is one very fast 205 you can see that out of the slow corners it has amazing traction and the gap was kept constant on the straights  If this track was empty i don't think he'd have seen the 205 again other than for being lapped ________________________________________ Team Nile 6 Team: 40.2 MPG  5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™  I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness  |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:40
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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Maybe he was pushing it abit hard, certainly was when I was behind but actually slower because of it. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:40
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maybe
Regular Location: Leicester Registered: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 385 Status: Offline |
Post #9
This big question is it the car or the drivers ability? I would say your car is fast but not faster. I bet if you swapped car you would still have kicked his ass. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:43
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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maybe wrote: rallyeash wrote: 205 kicking some ass... If it wasn't for traffic would of been long gone. He was really giving it everything. Both on R888's at that point too He was really giving it everything? Or he couldn't drive for s**t? He about destroyed his engine downshifting like that! You look fast but in the right hands that car has far more than a pug ever will. It'll be another case of got the cash but can't drive, so let buy a super fast car and get caned by a 205! You say that but look at the stats Indy 180hp/90lbft 450kg? + 2passengers 205 225hp/190lbft 750kg + 2 passengers Both very focused track cars. One fwd, one rwd. Traction not an issue for either. Just because it has a bike engine doesn't make it a super hero. Still only makes 180 hp and no torque. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 11:49
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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Its the torque out of corners where you murder him Oh and he doesn't seem that confident in the rear end on long corners. Both hands on the wheel please ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 13:23
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thugpuggin
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 26,784 Status: Offline |
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Very nice workCan't see it having much discussion here.. ________________________________________ Black X Reg PIII.VGTi 6 A4212 pt 1 A4212 pt 2 Searching the streets of Bristol for 1.36p/day.Joint Kent Leader |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 23:34
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #13
adam b wrote: Its the torque out of corners where you murder him Yeah certainly notice it out of the slow hairpin. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 13:24
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Looks just like the normal concertina you get from following another car, I'd say your entry speed is what's giving you the big advantage, you seem to be carry a lot more speed on the way in to almost every corner, he's traction limited off the hairpin because he can't get it turned early enough to square the exit off like you were doing.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 14:01
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gti6girl
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dartford Registered: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,692 Status: Offline |
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maybe wrote: rallyeash wrote: 205 kicking some ass... If it wasn't for traffic would of been long gone. He was really giving it everything. Both on R888's at that point too He was really giving it everything? Or he couldn't drive for s**t? He about destroyed his engine downshifting like that! You look fast but in the right hands that car has far more than a pug ever will. It'll be another case of got the cash but can't drive, so let buy a super fast car and get caned by a 205! Thats bolloxs I've just sold an Indy after 1 year owner ship as the 205 on bodies I own is so much faster I a straight line and around corners. My Indy tops out at 120 and my 205 does that easily |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 14:32
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Yeah, it takes serious horsepower to make an open wheel/exposed cage kitcar pull any sort of top speed, the buggy'll only just push 130 even with 350+bhp, a stock '6 will do that!________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 14:57
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: Yeah, it takes serious horsepower to make an open wheel/exposed cage kitcar pull any sort of top speed, the buggy'll only just push 130 even with 350+bhp, a stock '6 will do that! Due to airodynamics? I met a guy with a fossil engined kit car he said that would only do 120 and he said exactly what you just said due to airodynamics been s**te ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:22
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Aero drag from the wheels and exposed tubing, and in the case of the buggy, a bit of extra power sapped due to the tyres.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:34
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
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Open wheels alone are a MASSIVE aerodynamic disaster, never mind the exposed roll cage you find on 7 style kit cars. Those fenders will help, but not a huge amount.Between gear changes I'd suggest taking his hand off the shifter, but otherwise he's enjoying himself, so who cares how good/bad his driving is. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:33
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Which is why F1 cars have a massive front splitter.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 15:49
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maybe
Regular Location: Leicester Registered: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 385 Status: Offline |
Post #21
gti6girl wrote: maybe wrote: rallyeash wrote: 205 kicking some ass... If it wasn't for traffic would of been long gone. He was really giving it everything. Both on R888's at that point too He was really giving it everything? Or he couldn't drive for s**t? He about destroyed his engine downshifting like that! You look fast but in the right hands that car has far more than a pug ever will. It'll be another case of got the cash but can't drive, so let buy a super fast car and get caned by a 205! Thats bolloxs I've just sold an Indy after 1 year owner ship as the 205 on bodies I own is so much faster I a straight line and around corners. My Indy tops out at 120 and my 205 does that easily All depends on the gearbox ratios. Everyones different. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 16:11
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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They may well be, but no amount of changing ratios is going to help with the old power vs drag issue.edit: Goes like the clappers and then hits a brick wall.... http://vimulator.com/#/v5/sim/38199 Same as this: http://vimulator.com/#/v5/sim/26416 ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 17:07
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Soo.... Hatchback FTW?!..... :-)________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 16th Jun 2013 at 23:41
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gti6girl
Seasoned Pro Location: Dartford Registered: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,692 Status: Offline |
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Defo. How were the tyres? |
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Posted 17th Jun 2013 at 00:11
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Duno! I was on 888's in that video. Thought I'd run them for a few sessions to get to know the track and make sure the dry sump was all working well. Swapped them for the slicks at lunch then it p**sed down pulling out the pits! But for the 5 wet laps I did on them they wernt any worse than 888's so I think dry potential is looking good. Will find out next weekend at Combe... ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 17th Jun 2013 at 07:27
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