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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #51
thugpuggin wrote: Speeding is wrong, no one does you are going to prison where Stan will visit to recruit you to UKIP. Best pack a bag. That had me in stitches...  However, on a serious note it's true.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
 Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 08:11
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #52
ash j wrote: Cheers for all the responses guys. I just found this on a website..... 'If you were not stopped and warned by the Police at the time of the offence, a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) must be served on the registered keeper of the vehicle within 14 days of the incident. Court proceedings must be started within 6 months of the incident.' I think on that basis, regardless of what everybody has said, I have no option but to just pay it since he warned me at the side of the road. I just wanted to know where I stood and whether there were any loopholes I could exercise, but as is so often the case, there isn't! At the end of the day if I had of been paying attention and wasn't speeding then I wouldn't even be in this situation. So ultimately, this is the price I have to pay! Cheers guys EFA ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 09:50
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ash j
Regular  Location: Fareham Registered: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 415 Status: Offline |
Post #53
oecken wrote: Also..... the links simply state that it must be sent within 14 days, not actually received? i.e if the give it to the royal mail, and they take months sending it around the country etc... then they have still sent it, was similar with legal documents etc we used to send out from the bank, we still get blamed but have actually fulfilled our obligation, and would give a copy of our mail room copy with date stamps stating when it was sent  Correct, but you will notice I said my letter was dated 5 June and the date of offence was 3 May, so it didn't get caught up in the post  |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 10:57
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #54
There are ways of getting your own back...Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:02
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Chris28190
Senior User  Location: . Registered: 15 Apr 2012 Posts: 736 Status: Offline |
Post #55
stan_306gti6 wrote: There are ways of getting your own back... Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you. I've got my eye on you Stan  ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye '99 - Sold |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:15
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daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: There are ways of getting your own back... Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you. I hope that's a joke?  ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:16
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jsoulman
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 13,662 Status: Offline |
Post #57
Stan has become the best troll ont forum  |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:20
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #58
Chris28190 wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: There are ways of getting your own back... Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you. I've got my eye on you Stan I'll keep an eye out for you then...oh wait, how will I recognise you? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:21
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #59
daver6 wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: There are ways of getting your own back... Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you. I hope that's a joke?  Where has the sense of humour gone on here lately?   ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 11:22
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: daver6 wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: There are ways of getting your own back... Pay the fine, doesn't look like you have much choice. However, we all know places where we've seen a mobile camera van or police car sat with a gun on numerous occasions, ALWAYS in the same spot. Go down to B&Q, buy a box of 100 nails. Then go to that spot and scatter them all over the floor. Even if it costs them £50 a time to repair a couple of punctures, you've already cost them more money than they've cost you. I hope that's a joke? Where has the sense of humour gone on here lately? After your craic, who knows what's a joke!?! ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 14:29
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #61
Was there a speed camera sign within the 3/4 of a mile where u got caught, afaik there has to be by law a speed trap warning sign and if not they dont have a leg to stand on.Or is that only for vans n gatsos? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 15:14
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ash j
Regular Location: Fareham Registered: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 415 Status: Offline |
Post #62
beez_neez_gt wrote: Was there a speed camera sign within the 3/4 of a mile where u got caught, afaik there has to be by law a speed trap warning sign and if not they dont have a leg to stand on. Or is that only for vans n gatsos? I believe there only needs to be signs in spots where there are 'regular speed checks'. They would argue that they hardly ever do speed checks where they caught me, and it was only a hand gun, not a Gatso or anything. Besides, even if there did have to be signs, I doubt that would stick in court. Otherwise you couldn't have unmarked police cars driving around, same principle really! |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 17:31
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #63
Driver protect dude worth giving them a shout Look then up  |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 18:00
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #64
Try here for useful advice: Link________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 18:16
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #65
There are no legal requirements for any signage at all regarding speed cameras.There are recommendations for some scenarios, but these are not requirements. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 18:41
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Niall
Seasoned Pro  Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Just pay up and take it on the chin. Regardless of wether you think they were w**kers for being there at the time, you and only you was in the wrong. You took the risk of speeding and you got caught. Accept it. The police have every right to stop anywhere they like with a mobile gun so you always have to be on the look out! |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:13
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #67
Rich E wrote: There are no legal requirements for any signage at all regarding speed cameras. There are recommendations for some scenarios, but these are not requirements. Not true as far as im aware. Fixed cameras have to be signed and van areas (they have defined areas. they cant just park up anywhere) have to be signed as well. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:14
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #68
Niall is correct, signs ARE required by law, see here________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:18
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #69
stan_306gti6 wrote: Niall is correct, signs ARE required by law, see here I do not believe this is a credible source of information. The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 make no mention of requirements for such signs. Which legislation do you believe covers this Stan? Also, read section 4 of this from the DfT Noting especially the last paragraph: Compliance with these rules has no bearing on the enforcement of offences detected by the use of safety cameras. Non-compliance with these rules and guidelines by a partnership, or representative of a partnership, does not provide any mitigation of, or defence for, an alleged offence committed under current UK law. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:26
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #70
Well i was actually told this by a judge who specialises in road traffic convictions so im certainly going to believe it and also i have noticed since i was told this that they do put signs where they put the vans. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:30
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #71
The reason why the safety camera partnerships do sign all of their fixed cameras and mobile detection zones is because they are not allowed to collect revenue from cameras being operated outside of signed zones.This of course has no bearing on cameras or mobile checks operated by the police directly. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 19:40
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maybe
Regular  Location: Leicester Registered: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 385 Status: Offline |
Post #72
Yawn.com/facethemusic |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 20:51
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #73
loophole.com/findone!________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 21:33
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #74
Loopholes are there to be used________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 21:33
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #75
buzzbrightyear wrote: Loopholes are there to be used If you have f**ked up, take it on the chin. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 21:38
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