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| Author | Subject: Rallycross 205 with GTI6 Motor |
 Hawkesfire
Regular  Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi thought i would start a thread about my rallycross car for anyone interested or who has good advice. The Car when i bought it..... it has been a rallycross car since the early 90's and won quite a few championships over the years as a stockhatch then supermodified. Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
 Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:16
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
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As you can see from the pictures it had been neglected when i picked it up so on with a full rebuildHawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:20
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
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New body kitHawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:20
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
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new paint workHawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:21
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #5
At this stage the car was the following specFull Race MI 16 engine with 252 BHP running on Lumintion 3 d ecu and MBE throttle bodies BE 1 gear box with TranX diff Full Billy's suspension all round with 1.9 discs on the front and drums on the rear. All ready for test Day at Lydden Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:24
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Test day went great apart from bursting a rear brake hose so all new aeroquip hoses fitted to the car.Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:26
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #7
First race day at Lydden It rained and rained but had a good first heat then in second heat the engine let go big time. Valve head snapped and smashed the head and block so engine was scrap Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:29
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro  Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Car looks great, thanks for putting some pictures up  Bad news about the engine though  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged  [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:33
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #9
New engine sourced standard GTI6 motor with 70k on it ..... Installed engine and found that the head gasket was blowing 2 days before race day so mad panic to rebuild the top end.. Got it ready in time so off to Mallory Had a great day of racing even when running a standard engine and had some pannel damage when chasing the british champion and he decided to stop in front of me ......  Won the B final easily and got on the back of the A final grid Made a good start and then the front ball joint snapped on the first corner so that was it for the day.... Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:35
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Rebuilt the suspension and repaired the bodywork ready for KnockhillBought some GTI6 front disc and fitted them with race pads what a diffrence even just testing on our industrial estate. Car tested on the saturday on the industrial estate stages and ran great so off up to Scotland for racing. Got up early Sunday and started the car  it would only run on 2 cylinders so new plugs , new coil pack , new leads and checked all the wiring but still no diffrent so did practice on 2 cylinders so i would quailfy to raceChecked every thing again tried more new parts checked fueling but no good so packed up and watched the racing Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:40
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Current plan is Fit a Rotrex super charger and steel bottom end running throttle bodies and fabricated air chamber connected to a huge intercooler, new Omex 600 ecu and new wiring loom to be installed. To make way for the supercharger and intercooler the radiator is getting moved to the back. Lots of work and dosh so next race will be Lydden in August and i am looking for 350 Bhp + from this conversion... Spoke to Rich at Lynx and he has been very helpful with advise so thanks bud. Cars ready to start mocking up the supercharger and intercooler then once completed i will rip out everything and fit the new steel bottom end. Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 11:47
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Good work Look forward to seeing how you get on with ITB's and a supercharger  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 16th May 2013 at 12:01
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fordygti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Walpole St Andrew Registered: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 1,257 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Yh, I look forward to seeing this to. Was thinking about it before, but I couldn't see the gains would be worth the money adding the bodies to a charged engine. ________________________________________ 98 onyx black 306 Rallye53 Nissan Primastar silver (work horse) 58 black Volvo c30 sport |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:12
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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fordygti wrote: Yh, I look forward to seeing this to. Was thinking about it before, but I couldn't see the gains would be worth the money adding the bodies to a charged engine. There won't be gains, but he's got them already so why not use them? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:22
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fordygti
Seasoned Pro Location: Walpole St Andrew Registered: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 1,257 Status: Offline |
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I meant for me and my budget at the time. I'm all game for seeing this done. Like say say he has them so mite aswell use them. ________________________________________ 98 onyx black 306 Rallye53 Nissan Primastar silver (work horse) 58 black Volvo c30 sport |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:28
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: fordygti wrote: Yh, I look forward to seeing this to. Was thinking about it before, but I couldn't see the gains would be worth the money adding the bodies to a charged engine. There won't be gains, but he's got them already so why not use them? May not be power gains, but surely still get some better throttle response, and could custom map it better surely having ITB's? (Waits for Jim to come along and prove me wrong again  )________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:29
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fordygti
Seasoned Pro Location: Walpole St Andrew Registered: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 1,257 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Only pain in the arse bit would be getting everything to line up, ie. Custom inlet plenum with the charger and aux setup. Would be good to see.though, never seen it done myself. Sure it has been though. ________________________________________ 98 onyx black 306 Rallye53 Nissan Primastar silver (work horse) 58 black Volvo c30 sport |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:35
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playboyb
Seasoned Pro  Location: Maidstone Son! Registered: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,464 Status: Offline |
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Great lil project you got there fell, bet that is great fun to drive in! Looking forward to seeing how the itb's go with the charger  ________________________________________ 306 1.8 xs moonstone blue-SOLD306 gti6 supercharged china blue-SOLD 406 coupe D9 3.0 V6-SOLD |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 10:52
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Hi Thanks for all the comments, my thinking around using the itb's is that if i fit a dump valve then the charge pressure in the air chamber will stay high so when i open the throttles it will have boost pressure built up so instant power as looking at some of the vid's of the Lynx set up the hoses are sucked in so it must be vacuum in there due to the throttle body being closed so there must be a transition pause when opened. I also want to go with Omex unit and Rich advised to try this so i will not argue with him ..... Will be interesting to see how it works with launch control and full throttle gear changes ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 11:03
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Oh look what has just turned up Shiny Supercharger let the build begin Hawkesfire has attached the following image: ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 11:10
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Eddleston
Regular  Location: Leatherhead Registered: 31 Jul 2012 Posts: 329 Status: Offline |
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ooo this is a good thread! ________________________________________ the zombie apocalypse started long ago, only no-one realised most can talk and drive |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 12:00
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rallye1999
Senior User  Location: redcar Registered: 05 Jul 2009 Posts: 718 Status: Offline |
Post #22
If you need a cheap engine/box ancilleries (sp) im only in redcar and cant be bothered with ebay |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 12:56
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Hawkesfire
Regular Location: Stockton on tees Registered: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 180 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Hi Thanks for the offer for the engine /box but i have a new bottom end with steel rods and forged pistons and i have a spare head that i am getting built up so should have everything i need. Just reading my manual for the omex and it says it has the provision for a Knock sensor, i heard that the GTI6 standard engines have these fitted is that true and if so where is it or what is it as i think it might be tempted to fit one ________________________________________ 206 Rallycross GTI6 SC SHB 425 BHP clutch eater !!! |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 14:38
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #24
Yeah the standard engine has a knock sensor, it should be somewhere on the front of the block above the oil filter roughly between cylinders 2 and 3. It's like a black round sensor with a lead running from it and a bolt through the middle from memory. Nice project, I'm wanting to do similar with ITB's and a 'charger but keep spending money elsewhere on the car.  EDIT: Circled the knock sensor for you.  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 14:49
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Hawkesfire wrote: Hi Thanks for all the comments, my thinking around using the itb's is that if i fit a dump valve then the charge pressure in the air chamber will stay high so when i open the throttles it will have boost pressure built up so instant power as looking at some of the vid's of the Lynx set up the hoses are sucked in so it must be vacuum in there due to the throttle body being closed so there must be a transition pause when opened. I also want to go with Omex unit and Rich advised to try this so i will not argue with him ..... Will be interesting to see how it works with launch control and full throttle gear changes I think you're confusing yourself re. the dump valve. It will mean there's no pressure in the plenum rather than built up pressure, that's the point of it. The pipes being sucked in on the videos will be due to the throttle body being fitted before the charger, yours will obviously be after. If you don't fit a dumpvalve your theory will sort of be correct, although the charger, throttle body plates and pipe work won't appreciate being battered by ever increasing boost when you let your foot off the throttle. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 17th May 2013 at 19:24
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