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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #76
Mine will be driven in a few says time, does that count?  As for that Mocal item pictured, I would feel safer with an oil to air cooler rather than oil to water to be honest.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
 Posted 26th Mar 2013 at 16:25
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Yeah I don't even like the oil to water takeoff that comes on the car as standard anyway, it just seems like an unnecessary point at which both oil and water can mix in case of a failure of a part. I may just sit in my car now and turn the steering wheel for five minutes to pretend I have been driving it ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 26th Mar 2013 at 16:35
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mik
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #78
Mine's been mainly on axle stands for over a year and I've only driven it about 300 miles in the last 12 months, and less than 4000 miles in the last 2 years. In fact I got it 2 years ago yesterday. Oh and mine doesn't even have an oil cooler so why am I even adding to this thread? ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 26th Mar 2013 at 17:05
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #79
stan_306gti6 wrote: Mine will be driven in a few says time, does that count? As for that Mocal item pictured, I would feel safer with an oil to air cooler rather than oil to water to be honest. Oil to water is a far safer bet than oil to air. Get a stone through the rad and hole the oil/air cooler and unless you spot the pressure dropping your engine will be destroyed before you know it. Oil to water coolers are bullet proof and can be mounted virtually anywhere in the engine bay as they have no need to be in airflow. However, you do need a more efficient/bigger rad for them to work properly. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 13:25
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #80
Yes, I see what you're saying however I suppose what I was referring to was the lower temps of oil which could be achieved with an oil to air cooler. With the coolant generally getting up to around 95c on track, that means that the oil wouldn't be able to run at any less than 95c as that is the temp of the coolant which is supposedly 'cooling' it. With oil to air, I can keep my oil anywhere between 80c and 90c on track which makes a big difference. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 13:32
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #81
stan_306gti6 wrote: Yes, I see what you're saying however I suppose what I was referring to was the lower temps of oil which could be achieved with an oil to air cooler. With the coolant generally getting up to around 95c on track, that means that the oil wouldn't be able to run at any less than 95c as that is the temp of the coolant which is supposedly 'cooling' it. With oil to air, I can keep my oil anywhere between 80c and 90c on track which makes a big difference. Coolant temps of 75 are what you are looking to achieve, get the right rad and you get the cooling you need with no possibility of over cooling when you don't want it. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:35
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #82
Yeah true, a different rad on our cars would be what was required, a standard rad doesn't cut it for that kind of temp on the track. However, there is a direct correlation between oil temps and coolant temps, and I find that if I can keep the oil temps at 85c then the coolant won't increase above 90c, before I had the 19 row cooler my 13 row would keep the oil around 110c and the coolant would raise over the 100c if on track for more than a couple of laps so I had no real choice but go for the bigger cooler.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:46
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #83
Owain,Just to clarify the situation, I drove my car on Saturday at an ambient temperature of around 2c, along a motorway doing 70mph. My oil still rose up to the normal temperature it always does of 80c, and stayed there without me needing to block my 19 row oil cooler with anything. Therefore, I concur, yours definitely needs a new thermostatic plate mate.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2013 at 17:56
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #84
Presume you've got a aftermarket oil temp gauge Stan?  Cause standard oil temp gauge doesn't show 80 ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2013 at 19:48
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #85
I think he means 90?________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2013 at 19:56
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #86
The white line before the "90" is regarded as 80 if you look at the distances set out on the rest of the gauge, you can work it out from this. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 3rd Apr 2013 at 22:56
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #87
stan_306gti6 wrote: The white line before the "90" is regarded as 80 if you look at the distances set out on the rest of the gauge, you can work it out from this. Pretty sure its 65 The mark half way between 90 and 140 is the same distance that the line you think is 80 is below 90 So 90 minus 25 is 65  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 5th Apr 2013 at 22:23
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