|
displaying posts 1 to 17 of 17
| Author | Subject: ML6c Close ratio dog engagement box |
 Maxi rally
Newbie  Location: Sydney Registered: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 39 Status: Offline |
Post #1
I have this box in my car. Its a Pug sport item and peugeot sport shafts.I need to source some new drive shafts and spares. Does anyone know about them? Does the 207 RC rally car run the same box. Ideally expert opinions required, rather than internet speculation. Thanks Russell |
 Posted 5th Mar 2013 at 22:28
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #2
You wont find any expert opinions on here  seems anyone that knows about these cars does not use the internet.Also if it was built in the UK it could be anything, totally unrelated spec to a proper pug sport france car. Which part of the shafts do you need? outer or inner CV's? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 5th Mar 2013 at 22:44
|
|
|
devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Judging by one of your previous pictures and seeing the parts used in the suspension, eg the front anti roll bar, then it looks like you probably want to give Special Tuning a call. It looks like they are the same batch of parts that they supply here, rather than the French Peugeot Sport people. |
|
Posted 5th Mar 2013 at 22:51
|
|
|
daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Can GKN help you out with the driveshafts? They are a big name in all things drive shaft related after all.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 00:15
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Big name, big $$$$$$________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 07:49
|
|
|
daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #6
welshpug! wrote: Big name, big $$$$$$ It's not as if parts from Peugeot Sport will be any cheaper is it? The guy has a 306 Maxi, he's obviously going to have to spend a few quid getting what he wants as he can't exactly nip into Euro Car Parts and get the required parts can he? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 08:21
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Its not a maxi that you or i would imagine, its totally different.Remember those btcc pugs that never amounted to much? Pug sport uk, french ones were a different world!! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 08:25
|
|
|
daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #8
welshpug! wrote: Its not a maxi that you or i would imagine, its totally different. Remember those btcc pugs that never amounted to much? Pug sport uk, french ones were a different world!! I know it's not a full spec Maxi, but obtaining anything gearbox related or specialist won't be cheap, whatever it is. Some of the GKN CV joints are pretty reasonable and you know for sure the quality will be there. With reliability bieng key to success in competiton I'd imagine he'll be wanting decent stuff anyway. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 08:41
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #9
given he's in oz I would inspect the shafts and ascertain what they are exactly, and get a local specialist to sort them out (personally I would take the same approach in the UK or on mainland europe)For example, I know of a guy on the 106 RR in Ireland building up a maxi type 106 rally car, obtained a sadev box, checked out the cv details, found they were incidentally the same pattern as an ML box, got some 406 shafts and mated them to the cupcar outer cv's (totally different to proper kitcar/maxi stuff, as they used pawl drive very large twin bearing hubs as used by WRC cars, usually built from alloy plate. ML inner CV -  maxi/wrc/kitcar type hubs.    without getting hold of the car's builder or taking it apart and inspecting the parts and posting pics, you wont get very far. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 09:16
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #10
http://www.pam-sport.com/doc._306_maxi_1042.htm most of that probably not applicable though, as you aren't wide track, or french built. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 09:31
|
|
|
welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #11
http://krs-competition.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.htm there's more there too. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 09:34
|
|
|
pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Not an expert but I think I have the same driveshafts as you... bigger splines but same size other than that? You can apparently still buy them from pugsport but are a tad expensive (£800 rings a bell). I've been told that the splines are the same fitment as mondeo driveshafts if that helps though... ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
|
Posted 6th Mar 2013 at 18:56
|
|
|
Maxi rally
Newbie Location: Sydney Registered: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 39 Status: Offline |
Post #13
daveyboy wrote: welshpug! wrote: Big name, big $$$$$$ It's not as if parts from Peugeot Sport will be any cheaper is it? The guy has a 306 Maxi, he's obviously going to have to spend a few quid getting what he wants as he can't exactly nip into Euro Car Parts and get the required parts can he? Yes they are not cheap to run, we do most of the prep ourselves as this is now my 10th year of rallying. We do spend on preventative maintianance and tyres, we only run at a 'clubman' level but try to do higher level championship events , ironically faster but much safer. Would not like to put a cost to it, but cheaper than the UK in terms of event costs - 150km competitive entry fee about 350 quid, but the event may cost more than 10 - 15 times that in fuel, tyres and wear and tear before breakages and other stuff (crew beer) Usual story - motor racing is expensive. This is my 3rd professionally built car (I have had a factory built Diahatsu and Honda Civic prior) and I have to say the better and more expensively built cars are actually cheaper to run in terms of speed / finish rate and ease to run. As long as you buy wise, they are actually cheaper than building a lesser spec car yourself. |
|
Posted 12th Mar 2013 at 11:33
|
|
|
phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #14
As Daveyboy says, GKN can probably sort you shafts out, they're pretty good at mixing and matching parts for the motorsports lads. The other option is to go full on and use 930CV's with the fabricated uprights and rear lock bearings as Welshpug says, it's what the silly spec cars used to run. It's expensive up front (having just had some machined for my car, don't expect much change out of a grand even doing most of the work yourself), but the CV's themselves are cheap and reliable and the longer shafts reduces the plunge and angle change, so you either get less wear and power loss or you can go for more suspension travel. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
|
Posted 12th Mar 2013 at 13:45
|
|
|
yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro  Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
Post #15
I am sure that gal Ral ran gkn in it and seeing as it went direct from Phil to Sydney and sat in a barn I would phone Simon galliford to get the exact spec and where it came from....________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
|
Posted 12th Mar 2013 at 14:59
|
|
|
Maxi rally
Newbie Location: Sydney Registered: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 39 Status: Offline |
Post #16
welshpug! wrote: Big name, big $$$$$$ Yeap thats the reality.... Holinger Engineering (they make a great product) are making up a set of heavy duty custom shafts, not cheap not cheap but very very strong. They may also copy the gearbox (Ml6c Dog box anyone after one?) BTW the are not cheap, but cheaper than I was quoted for a couple out of Europe / UK |
|
Posted 18th Apr 2013 at 04:34
|
|
|
daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Maxi rally wrote: welshpug! wrote: Big name, big $$$$$$ Yeap thats the reality.... Holinger Engineering (they make a great product) are making up a set of heavy duty custom shafts, not cheap not cheap but very very strong. They may also copy the gearbox (Ml6c Dog box anyone after one?) BTW the are not cheap, but cheaper than I was quoted for a couple out of Europe / UK I'd be very interested, what sort of money are we talking though? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
|
Posted 25th Apr 2013 at 12:34
|
|
The Peugeot GTi-6 & Rallye Owners Club - ©2024 all rights reserved.
Please Note: The views and opinions found herein are those of individuals, and not of The Peugeot 306 GTi-6 & Rallye Owners Club or any individuals involved.
No responsibility is taken or assumed for any comments or statements made on, or in relation to, this website. Please see our updated privacy policy.