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we changed the clutch on my gti-6 put it back together but the car wont start its wanting to fire but dont, we try and turn the car over but the keypad light goes straight to green but it excepts the code still but dont start any ideas!
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 td_dan
Junior User  Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 11:59
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #2
How do you know it's wanting to fire?Things to check are as follows: 1. Multi-function relay rear of battery box plugged in. 2. Battery terminals tight. 3. Fuel cut-off switch plugged in and not activated. 4. Crank sensor plugged back in. Hope this helps, Stan. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:06
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Ashman
Junior User Location: Nottingham Registered: 27 Feb 2012 Posts: 54 Status: Offline |
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Crank timing sensor?I believe that's on the gearbox, don't know if that could be the problem |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:07
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Yes, it bolts to the top of the gearbox and has a brown connector on it which needs to plug back into the loom. Also have you definitely re-attached both Earth cables back onto the gearbox?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:09
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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However, does it sound like it is trying to fire? If so, the crank sensor won't be the problem.Can you hear the fuel pump prime when you turn the ignition on?  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:10
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #6
we tried 4 other relays off other ph1s still nothin we took the battery leads off put the back on but its still keepin the code |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:17
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #7
yeah its priming itself |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Does it actually sound like it's trying to fire and nearly starts but doesn't? Also, have you checked the fuel cut-off switch?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:20
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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yanno wen you try and start it without the puttin the code in it sounds like that yeah tried that still no luck |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:24
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #10
With keys out of the ignition, you should be able to install the keys, turn to the second click and need to put the code in BEFORE the light will go green. Once the light has gone green the immobiliser should be off and it should be ready to start. Next check you need to do is to see if the crank sensor has been plugged back in and then whether or not you have a spark at the spark plugs. To do this, remove a coil pack and a plug then place the plug back into the coil pack and hold the coil with the threads of the spark plug against a metal part of the engine (cam cover will be fine) and get another person to crank the engine. You should see the spark plug sparking as the engine is cranking over. If it doesn't then you either have a problem with the crank sensor or the immobiliser is not disarming. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:30
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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okay if the immobiliser isnt disarming how do you get around it |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 12:38
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Was it working fine before?What *exactly* happens from the moment you put the key in? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 13:01
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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yeah it was workin perfect, press the button on the fob put the ignition on 2 and the green lights already on we try to start it but it dont then try it again with the code still dont start |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 13:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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So you're saying that the keypad is essentially telling you that the immobiliser is disarmed before you even put the code in then?  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 18:57
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swiftyboi006
Seasoned Pro  Location: Maidenhead Registered: 12 Apr 2010 Posts: 2,110 Status: Offline |
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The immo isnt disarming. Try an unlicked ecu if you can get hold of 1. If that works you will need to change the lot________________________________________ cherry p1.....SOLD (regreting this)blaze p2.....why did i buy this SOLD Black p3 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 19:58
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #16
right be on it for a couple hours and im stumpedOriginal ecu - put the key in turn to position 2, bitron on the rear of battery tray keeps clicking, fuel pump is cutting in and out and speedo keeps bouncing also the immobiliser pad is showing green BEFORE typing so essentially saying its disarmed. Unlocked ecu - put the key to position 2, bitron not clicking, fuel pump priming, immobiliser pad showing green BEFORE typing tryed disconnecting the battery for half hour still pad shows green, crankshaft is plugged in, inertia is in and not pressed down all the earths are fine. im assuming its an immobiliser problem just dont know how to get around it |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 22:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I think you need to go back over all the work you've done.If the vehicle was running perfectly fine, then you take it apart to change a clutch and now it doesn't it has to be really something you've done/not connected back up. Have another gander over everything. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 22:37
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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im going to have to, i will double check all the wiring to make sure i aint snagged anything |
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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 22:40
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swiftyboi006
Seasoned Pro Location: Maidenhead Registered: 12 Apr 2010 Posts: 2,110 Status: Offline |
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Unlocked ecu was no good? I think you have missed an earth________________________________________ cherry p1.....SOLD (regreting this)blaze p2.....why did i buy this SOLD Black p3 |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 06:41
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #20
As above, if you have tried an "unlocked" ECU and it still doesn't fire then it can't be an immobiliser fault, assuming that is the ECU has been unlocked professionally and correctly.You need to check to see whether or not you have a spark. This will remove all doubt about the immobiliser if it turns out that you have. I suspect as you say earlier that it is 'trying to start' that you do have a spark, but for some reason the engine just won't catch. This is your next port of call really, as without determining this, you're not really going to get anywhere fast. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 08:34
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Definitly plenty of fuel in there?Check the 2 main multi plugs on the inner wing you may have knocked them when doing the gearbox. On your key pad it could be worth actually disconnecting it then plug it back in, it just lifts out basically and unplugs underneath. Pretty sure if you didn't do this already you will have locked the unlocked ecu unless it's proffesionally unlocked, i.e immobiliser removed not just removed from a car in an unlocked state. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 11:02
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
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My ph1 loses it's code to the immobiliser if the battery is out for more than a couple of minutes, so that the next time I put the key in and turn to position 2 the green light comes on straight away. When it does I just put my old code in anyway, it beeps 4 times and the car starts as normal. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 17:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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24seven wrote: My ph1 loses it's code to the immobiliser if the battery is out for more than a couple of minutes, so that the next time I put the key in and turn to position 2 the green light comes on straight away. When it does I just put my old code in anyway, it beeps 4 times and the car starts as normal. This could be a winner, as could Ryan's suggestion of checking the inner wing multiplugs.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 18:48
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #24
Just checked all the earths and cleaned them up, we can here the pump prime and smell the fuel but checked the plugs and there's no spark at all, you say inner wing do you mean at the bottom by the rad as I've checked all that wiring to |
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Posted 28th Feb 2013 at 20:08
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td_dan
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 26 Jan 2013 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #25
if i get a DIY unlocked ecu and cut the 2 immobilser pins and disconnect the immobiliser transponder in the car will this prevent it from relocking or do i need to get one thats professeionally done? |
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Posted 1st Mar 2013 at 11:28
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