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Author Subject: Removing tank to redo underneath
jamiek_uk2000

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I've just stripped the rear end as I'm rebuilding the rear beam, so I'm going to redo the undercoat all the way to the front subframe (that will be done when I change the engine) Has anyone else done this and did they remove the fuel tank? I was thinking that underneath the tank hasn't had the abuse that the rest of the undercoat has so shouldn't have rusted. Does anyone know how easy the tank is to remove, if it is easy enough then it may well be worth it, if it's a nightmare then I may skip it.

I've ordered plenty of Deox C so it would make sense to do it properly, but don't want to get into work that doesn't need to be done.

I think that all makes sense?

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 21:22
pugheaven

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Under the tank and exhaust heat shield is just primer with no stonechip/underseal

I have done similar to both my grey car and Dimma but I removed all the old underseal and took it back to bare metal!
No need to do it really but I just wanted to loose a bit more weight and I'm a tart
Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 21:49
jamiek_uk2000

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So did you remove the fuel tank? Is it an easy job? I'm looking to take it back to almost bare metal (good key for paint) Deox C the rust, then red oxide and then a final coat of something (not sure yet) to make it a nicer colour compared to red oxide.

What did you do to the underside of yours?

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 21:52
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3 bolts 1 nut and the acociated filler neck pipes and that's it.

Just make sure the stud for the nut is cleaned well and doesn't snap.
Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 22:02
coskev

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Get some Deox C on the studs for a couple days before trying to undo the nutsThumbs up

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 22:04
jamiek_uk2000

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3 bolts and one nut you say, just gotta drain the thing now and dispose of the old fuel at approved collection centre Whistle . I've got plenty of Deox C coming, so that will be flying on there.

What is the best to go over for the final coat with, some say use Hammerite Stone Chip, but then others say avoid it at all costs

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 22:17
iplay

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photos half way down thread
I would just use a good quality car paint - lechler.
For areas that need stone chip protection - a rubberised stone chip paint.
I used clear waxoyl after painting - made it look a right mess but it has protected the new paint well.
You need to run the car until it almost cuts out and then there will still be 10 litres of fuel.
Posted 9th Feb 2013 at 17:52
jamiek_uk2000

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So the way I was going to do it is:
Strip the existing with wire brush/drill brush heads/anything abrasive
Treat the rust with Deox C
Hydrate 80 as an undecoat
Red oxide base coat for the paint
Diablo red paint (from cans if I do it)
Waxoyl clear cover.

I've got someone who is a sprayer who may do the two top coats, but I need to trailer it to him for him to do it. Anyone got any variations to this, or any other paints that would be better than these?

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Posted 9th Feb 2013 at 19:25
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All depends on the condition of the original paint.
Put up some photos.
Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 10:13
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http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=131873

Take a look at my thread if you want to do it all yourselfThumbs up

Aslong as the prep/rust removal is done correctly the top coat is just to make it look prettyYes

Mine is used daily, has seen nearly three winters and just over 20k miles and there is no paint coming off or rust showing throughBig grin





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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 10:30
jamiek_uk2000

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Once the weather stops p**sing down I will get under and get some photos, I've just got to remove the rear beam and then it can all be assessed. If mine was in cherry red then I could get away with that external gloss that you have used, mine is in diablo and I've looked but can't find an external paint that sort of colour. Well since my mate is a sprayer anyway, it's not going to cost much and I think it will look better, it will just annoy me if it is the wrong colour.

Apart from the rivet's on the underside, what else holds the side skirts on. I can see that there are a few holes in the side of the shell, what holds those on, are they bolted from the inside or do they just pop off??

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 11:57
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Sorting out under the fuel tank is on my to-do list. In the meantime I've dealt with the surface rust and shot wax on it to slow it down until I get to it. I have managed to loosen the 2 bolts on the fuel tank brackets (one so much it fell out!!) but the nut on the long stud is proving much more troublesome, and obviously you can't use heat as the plastic fuel tank is an inch or two away. Someone else on here told me their stud snapped and they had to pull up the carpet inside, drill it out and put in a new one.

Deox C is a powder intended for mixing with water in a container and soaking bits in. If you are doing something big that can't be dipped, i.e. the entire bodyshell, you need Deox gel, which is the same sort of stuff but in a gel formulation which enables it to stay wet and stick to vertical and underside surfaces. You apply it thickly and cover it with cling film and leave it for 2 days, then clean off and repeat if necessary.

Before doing that it is best to get all the salt/dirt/oil off the surface so it is clean, using a water-based degreaser (Bilt Hamber Surfex HD). Then wire brush as much of the rust off as possible before applying the gel. Wash the gel off with water and wire brush/sand/abrade again. Flush with water. Keep doing this until the metal is clean.

I don't really rate rust converters as the rust seems to come through again. There is a thread somewhere on Detailing World where a bloke used Electrox on his calipers, and Hydrate 80 on his carriers, and after a winter or two the calipers were still perfect, but the carriers were deteriorating. Converters are OK for small bits of rust or to slow it until it can be more effectively dealt with, but not under paint as a large scale long term solution. It would be better to paint the cleaned bare metal with Electrox zinc primer. Overpaint the zinc primer with your choice of top coat (though it can be left uncoated).

The Hammerite stone chip paint seems OK, I've used it and had no probs. If anyone knows more I'd be interested to know. But there is no point using stone chip over bare/rusty metal, best to get a decent primer or zinc rich undercoat on there first. Red oxide these days is not as good as it was due to tighter regulations.

I'm using clear wax over the top too, as an additional layer of protection (in my case Dynax UC from Bilt Hambber).

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 12:09
mik

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jamiek_uk2000 wrote:
Once the weather stops p**sing down I will get under and get some photos, I've just got to remove the rear beam and then it can all be assessed. If mine was in cherry red then I could get away with that external gloss that you have used, mine is in diablo and I've looked but can't find an external paint that sort of colour. Well since my mate is a sprayer anyway, it's not going to cost much and I think it will look better, it will just annoy me if it is the wrong colour.

Apart from the rivet's on the underside, what else holds the side skirts on. I can see that there are a few holes in the side of the shell, what holds those on, are they bolted from the inside or do they just pop off??


Plastic clips. With a bit of careful pulling it is possible to get the skirts off without breaking the clips. They are no longer available from Pug apparently.

Also a row of rivets in the door shut under the rubber seal.

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 12:10
coskev

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Are all the clips nla from pug now mik?Dunno

When I did mine it was only the rear most clip that is stuck to the sideskirt with pu adhesive.

You can get gloss mixed to match your diablo paint.most big diy stores have paint matching facilitiesThumbs up

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 14:05
coskev

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Are all the clips nla from pug now mik?Dunno

When I did mine it was only the rear most clip that is stuck to the sideskirt with pu adhesive.

You can get gloss mixed to match your diablo paint.most big diy stores have paint matching facilitiesThumbs up

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 14:05
mik

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One of them is still showing as available, the other one is showing NLA. The pic doesn't make it easy to work out which is which.

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Posted 10th Feb 2013 at 14:28
coskev

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mik wrote:
One of them is still showing as available, the other one is showing NLA. The pic doesn't make it easy to work out which is which.


Pretty sure its the stick on clip that is right at the rear of the skirt, only one per skirtWink

The clip in ones were avail when I did mineThumbs up

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Posted 13th Feb 2013 at 09:05
jamiek_uk2000

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Well after all that talk it came off amazingly easy, full of petrol aswell. Plank under it, undone the bolts and then drop it. I now have 30 litres of petrol that is ready for some form of burning. Plus the skirts when I went to remove them have already been removed before and the kind person had refitted them with bolts/self tappers. The car is finally giving in to me and doing what I want

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Posted 14th Feb 2013 at 19:31

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