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is there any other XU10 crank that has 24mm journals? ive only just discovered that my T16 rods wont work with a gti6crank
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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 20:58
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #2
does the XUD 1905cc crank have 24mm journals? |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:09
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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I thought the crank was the main difference between the t16 engine and the rest of them.i.e. i thought no. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:09
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #4
eliotrw wrote: I thought the crank was the main difference between the t16 engine and the rest of them. i.e. i thought no. that, and rods are wider and obviously pistons give lower compression if XUD crank will accept rods then its going to push piston 2mm further up the bore, so what will the compression ratio be?? |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:14
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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405 T16 has its own crank, any other XU10 has the same (different to the T16) crank, its forged steel rather than Cast, just like the TD cranks.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:26
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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so, does the diesel crank have 24mm journals? |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:28
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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no.You if you want to use the rods then you need the crank. Im sure they must be available as aftermarket ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:31
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #8
after market crank will be way out of the question!i bought a complete T16 bottom end a while back that had a crack between the head bolt hole and bore, i salvaged the pistons and rods, at the time thinking all XU10 cranks shared the same journal width, i scrapped what was left, block and crank-i now hate myself for this |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:35
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eliotrw
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do you have the pistons too? because you will have similar issues getting pistons to fit the rods as well id have thought________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:36
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eliotrw
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ohh dear......... you foooollll hahahapoor guy. sorry. Yeah so basically you need a 405t16 crank...m ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:38
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #11
yes i have the pistons, idea was to put t16 pistons and rods into gti6 block, but thats clearly not an option now |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:39
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #12
eliotrw wrote: ohh dear......... you foooollll hahaha poor guy. sorry. Yeah so basically you need a 405t16 crank...m yip, or find a set of RGY rods |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:40
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #13
you dont really need any of this to build a good xu turbo though. I mean look at birks one and the one binka used to have.________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:43
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: you dont really need any of this to build a good xu turbo though. I mean look at birks one and the one binka used to have. Yes your right, but this was meant to be a turbo build on a budget (to a point), i came across my t16 bits purely by chance, if i had the means then i'd be going for rebore and forged bits |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:46
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eliotrw
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I remember that brazilian bloke on here used to have a zx with a xu10j4rs which he left on standard internals at 300hp for a while then later 400+ and then went on the run.I would have sworn bs if it wasnt for the youtube videos. Dont see how its possible thougj ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:51
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #16
i remember the guy your on about, these guys are using BIG turbos that only come on at high revss**t loads of horse power but torque comes in high up the rev range my goal is anything between 250 and 300 bhp, have been told that stock bottom end (albeit with proper fuelling and very good mapping) that it will cope, but i really dont want to take the chance. i even looked at fitting gti6 pistons to RFY/RGY rods but this leaves me with a ~ 7:1 CR |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:57
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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...and that brazilian guy was running gti6 ecu, how the feck did that work?? |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:08
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eliotrw
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7s probably well too low.9 would be ideal i'd have thought ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:09
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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the road going 205 T16 has a lowly 6:1!8:1 is my aim...something tells me from memory that the xud crank has 25mm journals, so with its 88mm stroke this will leave me just over 9:1 |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:17
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JWP EFi
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24, not 25 lol |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:18
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eliotrw
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Just noticed binkas was 8:1 too. go with that then  ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:23
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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wrc xsara is said to be 10:1 |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:25
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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jsa666 wrote: the road going 205 T16 has a lowly 6:1! 8:1 is my aim...something tells me from memory that the xud crank has 25mm journals, so with its 88mm stroke this will leave me just over 9:1 The diesel crank has the same journals as a gti6 crank, it is 88mm stroke though and as Mei said forged steel. 8:1 is the same cr as the Xu10 8 valve turbo and would be a good figure to aim at Imo. It may be worth looking at what can be done with the 8 valve bottom end and 16v head if you are looking to do it on a budget, I've seen a similar build on gtidrivers iirc. Those guys in Brazil you mentioned also run on methanol (or ethanol) hence they get away with higher compression than usual as you don't have to worry about det like you do on regular fuel. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 02:09
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #24
i have been looking for the earlier 8v block, in fact that was my original plan untill i came across theT16 Yes your correct, they run on ethanol, but still, how do they map the stdf ecu to work with a turbo |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 09:26
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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T99PUG wrote: Yes your correct, they run on ethanol, but still, how do they map the stdf ecu to work with a turbo Possibly the same way Wayne manages to map the STD ECU for the SC's, using fictious boost I would have thought... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 09:55
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