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smegal

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fatlapit wrote:

how many low boost s/c owners would honestley say that its not quick enough???

The problem with low boost is that it is so smooth that if you aren't screaming it, the only way that you notice is that the speedo moves faster. Which makes you itch for more power.

I got rid of my charger because I got done for speeding and knew that if I kept it more points would follow.

I notice that you are quick to slag SC-6s off. I will be interested if you could make an off the shelf turbo conversion that is as reliable and cheaper yet produces the same power.

Every turbo conversion that I have seen on here has turned into a money pit and hasn't been faster, cheaper or more reliable than a comparable supercharger conversion.

This is true at the moment but someone will do it I'm sure plus turbo power delivery feels dam good! Binkas one was a beast!

I will be impressed if someone makes a reliable turbo conversion giving ~250bhp (using new stuff) for £4k drive in drive out.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:17

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true smegal but only the low blows as i dont think they are "all that" and i know i`m not the only one, turbo engines are insanely reliable these days, sos motorsport has shown that and most engines these days are turboed and you dont see many supercharged cars do ya??

I suppose i`m aiming for the middle ground of the budget between low and high boost set ups, however the engine as a whole package is already fully forged with a stand alone ecu and will be able to stay up with the high boost and play with the low boost that is my aim and always has been since day one, with my turbo build you should be able to hit roughly 400-420 hp and similar torque at 90% of the capability of the turbo so to be safe and reliable i`m gonna run 15psi of boost to be safe which will see 330 ish hp, but still map to 20psi just incase Wink

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Rich has done really a great job and has made his money and a good standard to beat but i believe it could be beaten qute easily.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:22

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i also suppose with standard internals, china turbo and some megane r26 injectors ebay special intercooler etc, and a modded standard ex. mani. for turbo you could produce a "budget" turbo conversion for 4k. Maybe something to try out.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:25

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The trouble with doing a turbo conversion is that i dont think it would put the power down as well as a charged 6, with all the torque coming in early it would just spin up & torque steer? Dunno

i may be wrong . The supercharger set up is ace for usable power. That why it's so popular.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:26

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fatlapit wrote:

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Rich has done really a great job and has made his money and a good standard to beat but i believe it could be beaten qute easily.

Watch this space. Smile

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:26

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The trouble with doing a turbo conversion is that i dont think it would put the power down as well as a charged 6, with all the torque coming in early it would just spin up & torque steer? Dunno

i may be wrong . The supercharger set up is ace for usable power. That why it's so popular.

I think you can limit the boost with the ecu so it give a progressive increase in power. Like what they done with pug1off 205 thingy. Could be wrong though.

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:29

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Not seen all the post, but having driven a couple of 205's with 340bhp ish Turbo engine's the power delivery is excellent, No issues with wheel spin unless you drive like a TWAT

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:30

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the turbo conversion is expensive to get right but the sudden torque load can be mapped out and also modulated with your throttle control, you just need to "drive" it better, tbh my dci laguna estate can spin up in 3rd in the wet lol

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Hahahaha

R888's at least with that surely.
Hang on has he had it dynoed?
This is pre map correct? What did it make, 450?

It turned up, raped the dyno, tried to hump the fan, threw me and buzz off the front and p**sed off back home.

Oooohhhh dear. Sounds like somekinda mental puppy dig that s**ts everywhere. please say theres s vid of this action?

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:36

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lukecus wrote:

The trouble with doing a turbo conversion is that i dont think it would put the power down as well as a charged 6, with all the torque coming in early it would just spin up & torque steer? Dunno

i may be wrong . The supercharger set up is ace for usable power. That why it's so popular.

I think you can limit the boost with the ecu so it give a progressive increase in power. Like what they done with pug1off 205 thingy. Could be wrong though.

spot on!!!

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:37

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Yeehaa!

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:42

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so if i make kits anyone wanna buy one???

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:44

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I would but I have my engine standardish as it covers a lot of miles so average consumption won't be too bad. I bet Binka would have one for his new manstone if you get yours running reliably. Smile

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:52

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i think binka has mentioned it in another thread but i`m sure he did the origional one, wonder if he regrets selling it.

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anyway back to the origional topic i go for 306!!!!

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 22:58

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I wouldn't have thought so. I think it was a pain in his arse the whole time. When it was running well though it was lovely. Smile

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i think i agree from what i saw of it

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Post #168

Lol am loving this thread, i do miss my turbo enigne a lot, fact is i was a guinea pig and got raped by a s**t tuning company that really had no idea what they were doing.

When i redid most of the stuff myself it was running really well, not to quick about 310 bhp 290 ft / lbs
did not really torque steer at all and hardly any wheel spin unless damp / wet.

Would i do it again, quite possibly, there is nothing that quite feels like a turbo coming on boost then the wastegate dumping boost.

Would i do it differently, god yes, i have learnt so much and could do it for half the money i spent on it, that's why am so interested in what Mr Lapit is doing, see how he goes and maybe replicate it for my car.

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I wouldn't have thought so. I think it was a pain in his arse the whole time. When it was running well though it was lovely. Smile

Aaron how did his turbo 6 compare to a high boost? seeing as you been out in both Smile

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Posted 22nd Oct 2012 at 23:10

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Horsepower wise it more closely related to low boost. It went very similarly but the torque was awesome. Felt more like high boost but wasn't as quick. I just like the turbo delivery over the low boost charged ones. Silly boost is in a different class though. Which it should be, they have half as much power again. Smile

Hope that answers the question okay. Smile

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Posted 23rd Oct 2012 at 09:57

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Post #171

You left out Birk Boost. Will be interesting to see methinks

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Posted 23rd Oct 2012 at 10:11

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Post #172

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In standard form a mk4 r32 would not be equal with a low boost from a rolling start, they weigh about 1500kilos and have 240bhp with 236lb ft they also do 0-100 in about 15secs. A low boost would be quicker than that. But as said an r32 would hold it's value more <B>and is a much better built car than a 12 year old 306.</B>

sorry mate but that is a load of bull. I own a 306 and a mk4 golf and can tell anyone who asks what car id rather drive based on reliability and it aint a golf. VW are not the almighty people percieve them to be. bmw or audi is where im going next if i have to buy german. pug may have its little gremlins but its never truly let me down. the golf on the other hand nearly ruined me this summer with its countless problems. gotta wonder why i still own the bloody thing!!! Crazy

What's a load of bull? I never said the golf was more reliable I just said it's a better built car than a 306.

sorry mate, wasnt intending on flaming you. I'll agree the golf's quality is better but its the build or maybe the fact its got more to it (& more to go wrong) than a 306 that lets its down.

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Posted 23rd Oct 2012 at 12:21

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fatlapit wrote:

i heard the lb s/c 6 has a stalling problem though is this true??? also miles has one and the revs take ages to drop in between gear changes, is that common to all of them???

revs do drop slower than normal, possibly something to do with the air flow but tbh when youre moving its a lot better as it keeps you in the sweet spot for the next gear change.

& the stalling issue on mine was resolved by unplugging the power steering sensor. bizarrely it still work properly and the car hasnt stalled since.

as for it being fast enough. I dont know about you but I'd like 400bhp but only in something that was designed with that power in mind. sure its fun but in an old french tin can 260bhp is plently fast enough for me on uk roads. any more and I dont think Id have as much fun. the balance of power and handling seems spot on for the cars size. just my opinion. Wink

also in turbo vs supercharged am I right in thinking that turbos are more economical and aid manufacturers to meet co2 emissions far more easily than without? superchargers are more performance orientated as they require more fueling?

might be wrong......

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400bhp is not enough even for the school run. you need more

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He right you know, Which I why I will accept nothing less than a single turbo 900HP supra to take my future child to the nursery.
Still slow though.

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Posted 23rd Oct 2012 at 12:37

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