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24seven

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Honestly, what the funk were Peugeot thinking putting this gearbox on this engine? It's rubbish! The ratios are too close so you're never in quite the right gear and the compromises in weight and steering lock to fit it are obvious drawbacks in themselves. I've driven a couple of cars with XU10J4RS's in with 5 speed boxes and they're great. The ratios on the VTS box are perfect for the engine and even though the 1.6 205 box is a little short in 5th, it's still better than the 6 speed! Seriously tempted to put a 5 speed box in there an a longer throw steering rack. As a marketing gimmick, was it really that good?

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 15:09
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welshpug!

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Its a lovely box, what are you on about :p

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 16:24
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DO NOT agree.

EXCEPT:
In 20mph speed limit areas with speed bumps and traffic lights and it requires a lot of changing.
But this is something I fully except for everything else (Like when gunning it) as i'm a man.

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 16:27
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I too am a lover of the '6' box, I think it's a great box for fast road/B road which is what the car was originally designed for. Wink

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 18:41
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Another vote for the 6 speedThumbs up

way better ratios than the vts 5 speedYes

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:10
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Only minor quibble i have with it is i sometimes wish there was a 7th gear. LOL

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:10
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Well, you would, cruising around trying to save fuel and not wear your tyres out Whistle

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:13
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eliotrw

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the gearbox shows its purpose very well when you are caning it down a decent dual lane b road.
My particular favourtite is when I got from cwmbran to risca through the lanes in like 5 minutes on a summer night.

I remeber when i drove my old fiesta and thinking that even though it had a puny engine you couldnt get down there any quicker. Razz WRONG

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:38
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armzsc6

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On standard power I always found 2nd is to long and 6th isn't high enough. And if you learn to drive it properly you don't need to change gear all the time just skip one or 2 gears at a time... The closeness of the gears gives peak power so when your giving it flat out you stay on the cams Wink.

Now she's boosted it's perfect and 2nd doesn't feel to long at all it eats through it in a second.....

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:52
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3rd to 4th is pointlessly close. If they were all stretched out a little bit with 6th being a fair bit longer for motorways it would make more sense. The spacing between gears on the VTS box is far superior to me. At some point I really think this is the way I'll go with this car.

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 19:58
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what?!!!! 3rd and 4th are in my opinion THE POINT OF THE CAR lmao.
Seriously, 3rd and 4th being the way they are, is what makes the car what is in decent size corners and b roads. And also why the 206 180 gti where i used to live has never had a chance at keeping up.
Seriously its getting a bit embarrasing for him now, last time i saw him he gave up at 65 ish Razz

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 20:01
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phillipm wrote:
Well, you would, cruising around trying to save fuel and not wear your tyres out Whistle stuck behind nutters in 1.4's.


EFA LOL

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Posted 19th Sep 2012 at 21:49
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Hey, that's full throttle, 's all she's got LOL:

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I'd agree with the above about 2nd, with a standard engine it does seem quite long but I'm sure this helps with traction as my vts used to try and light the tyres in 2nd where as a 6 won't really unless made to do so. Also the closeness of 3rd, 4th and 5th make the car what it is imo

I've put a vts and 6 next to each other rolling at 40 in 2nd and the vts will instantly start pulling away until you get the '6 going, try the same at 60 in 3rd and a 6 will kill one all the way to stupid speed. Both have advantages and drawbacks imo but I feel the 6 speed box makes for an overall better drive.

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Posted 21st Sep 2012 at 09:21
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24seven

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Thought I'd bump this just to reiterate, I really, REALLY f**king hate this stupid 6 speed gearbox! Roll on next year when I have the time & space to swap it for a VTS box.

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 01:48
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Hahaha, is there any other 6 speed box that could be made to fit - i don't know, off of a newer Peugeot or Citroen?

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 08:55
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quite likely something could be made up yes, but they're even bigger and heavier than the BE3/4-6.

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 11:30
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welshpug! wrote:
quite likely something could be made up yes, but they're even bigger and heavier than the BE3/4-6.

Would it matter? If it made the ratios a lot better, the change between gears would surely improve the acceleration?

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You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time
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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 12:00
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welshpug!

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yeah the added weight would probably negate any advantage LOL

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 12:10
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welshpug! wrote:
yeah the added weight would probably negate any advantage LOL


I guess that would be more of an advantage when the engine is tuned then? Smile

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 12:28
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simonjames

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Having driven my car with both the 6 speed and 5 speed the car handled a lot better and was more fun when it was a 5 speed

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eliotrw wrote:
DO NOT agree.

EXCEPT:
In 20mph speed limit areas with speed bumps and traffic lights and it requires a lot of changing.
But this is something I fully except for everything else (Like when gunning it) as i'm a man.
In those 20mph speedbump areas I just stay in 1st gear. I find the box very good. Never had problems with it. Smile

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 14:25
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armzsc6

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The box is designed to keep the engine at peak power through the gears not as a six speed cruising practicality box. You could make it more drivable for everyday use If you wanted but then you'd need to have some form of makeup and handbag holding accessories made for it as well. And the seatbelt may not prove comfortable across your breasts....

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 16:51
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I've had the Xsi 5 speed box on the Gti6 lump before now, was quick up through the gears but couldn't peak well in 5th.
I think i was talking with a mechanic once about whether changing ratios over with a diesel box would improve things??

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You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time
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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 20:16
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Just get an engine with torque. Job done.

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Posted 22nd Dec 2012 at 20:51
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