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Right getting some bucket seats, ordered the appropriate base, will they need any adjustment to fit?Just wondering how buckets are normally fixed/fitted?
Also are buckets mot-able? No they need to slide forward etc to pass?
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 Matt_rallye
Regular  Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Just wondering how buckets are normally fixed/fitted? Also are buckets mot-able? No they need to slide forward etc to pass? |
 Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:12
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braymond
Seasoned Pro  Location: Brighton Registered: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,163 Status: Offline |
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My buckets are fully fixed. Passed several MOT's, most recent last month________________________________________ Rallye-RNurburgring article |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:17
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Thats a good think then, how did you fix them? Existing fitting holes or drilling into the floor? |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:22
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braymond
Seasoned Pro Location: Brighton Registered: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,163 Status: Offline |
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Mine, like most are side mounted. Mounts pick up the original points on the tunnel and welded in a bar to take up the other side mount. Look at my project thread, thers a pic in there somewhere. If you've got some base/subframe then I would imagine that would pick up the horizontal points on the sill as well as the those on 'transmition' tunnel ________________________________________ Rallye-RNurburgring article |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:27
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braymond
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I cant imagine drilling into the floor is a great idea!________________________________________ Rallye-RNurburgring article |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:28
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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This is what I was thinking, drilling floor no fun! I haven't seen what mounts they are as a mate of mine has ordered them for me as he was getting some for himself. So not sure how these ones will fit. I'm hoping that it's a case of using most of the original mounting points |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:33
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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If they're "standard" mounts then you'll need seat tubes welded in, if they were about £70 a pair from DT then they might be the pug-specific ones with sliders. Do they have sliders or not? If not it's seat tube time. Do not under any circumstances bolt them to the floor unless you fancy dying as soon as you crash. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 22:48
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
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U can bolt them to the floor if u make proper plates/anchor points________________________________________ |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 23:00
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darzmat
Senior User  Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: Do not under any circumstances bolt them to the floor unless you fancy dying as soon as you crash. im going to show this quote to my mate, as he has a pug 106 rally car( its not completed yet) and his seats are bolted to the floor i told him before that it didnt look right/secure ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 23:00
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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Does he not think there's a reason that Peugeot put massive great reinforcements wherever they attach a seat?As if, perhaps, the crappy French tin the bodywork is made of isn't designed to take the hundreds of kilos of force your body would put on it in a crash, pulling the bolts out like the top of a tin of tuna, and putting all your momentum through your now-powdered ribs and collapsed lungs as they're crushed by your seat belt? Good luck to the guy  ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 23:05
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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If you reinforce the floor correctly it's fine, but it you just bolt through 0.7mm thick tin with 4 penny washers to hold your seat in then you are asking for trouble.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 23:06
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: If you reinforce the floor correctly it's fine, but it you just bolt through 0.7mm thick tin with 4 penny washers to hold your seat in then you are asking for trouble. Exactly, and it doesn't sound like he's done it properly. Bolting mounts to seat bars leaves the seats about as low as you'd want to go, if you went straight into the floor I can't imagine you'd even be able to see over the steering wheel  ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 25th Aug 2012 at 23:08
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darzmat
Senior User Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: daveyboy wrote: If you reinforce the floor correctly it's fine, but it you just bolt through 0.7mm thick tin with 4 penny washers to hold your seat in then you are asking for trouble. Exactly, and it doesn't sound like he's done it properly. Bolting mounts to seat bars leaves the seats about as low as you'd want to go, if you went straight into the floor I can't imagine you'd even be able to see over the steering wheel his seats have omp side mounts and that gives him the height he needs, i think he is planning to reinforce the floor a bit, when i say a bit, i mean he's welding in metal squares but im pretty sure they are only 2x2 or 3x3 inches. ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 03:42
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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braymond wrote: Mine, like most are side mounted. Mounts pick up the original points on the tunnel and welded in a bar to take up the other side mount. Look at my project thread, thers a pic in there somewhere. If you've got some base/subframe then I would imagine that would pick up the horizontal points on the sill as well as the those on 'transmition' tunnel Just checked you project, the way you mount yours is probably how I'll do it! So there's two parts too the mounting? The part that bolts to the chair, and then that bolts to some cross bars? Do they use the original mounts? And where do you get these parts from lol |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 08:59
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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darzmat wrote: when i say a bit, i mean he's welding in metal squares but im pretty sure they are only 2x2 or 3x3 inches. Does the guy not value his life or something then? Let's give an example of the kind of forces your chest would be subjected to if your seat came free in a crash. Say you crashed at 70mph - possible on roads but quite likely on track. Yes, the force of pulling the seat from the shell would slow you a bit, depends how big the plates are. Now, you're essentially free from the car, and it's just your seatbelt stopping you. Seatbelt isn't going anywhere, it's sensibly bolted to big reinforced bits of car. If I tied you from a fixed-length (i.e. non-elastic) body harness, and dropped you at 70mph - would you enjoy the bit where you ran out of rope? The bit where your entire body slows from 70mph to 0 in about two inches, entirely by the straps across your chest? That's the force you'd be putting through you if you crashed and your seat came loose. Don't fancy that much. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 10:20
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darzmat
Senior User Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: darzmat wrote: when i say a bit, i mean he's welding in metal squares but im pretty sure they are only 2x2 or 3x3 inches. Does the guy not value his life or something then? Let's give an example of the kind of forces your chest would be subjected to if your seat came free in a crash. Say you crashed at 70mph - possible on roads but quite likely on track. Yes, the force of pulling the seat from the shell would slow you a bit, depends how big the plates are. Now, you're essentially free from the car, and it's just your seatbelt stopping you. Seatbelt isn't going anywhere, it's sensibly bolted to big reinforced bits of car. If I tied you from a fixed-length (i.e. non-elastic) body harness, and dropped you at 70mph - would you enjoy the bit where you ran out of rope? The bit where your entire body slows from 70mph to 0 in about two inches, entirely by the straps across your chest? That's the force you'd be putting through you if you crashed and your seat came loose. Don't fancy that much. yes i know, i understand all this, but there's just no telling him, hes the one that think he knows everything. i think his main problem is he doesnt have access to the internet to find out what other people do, all he's got is the blue book. (but im pretty sure it would state that there has to be some sort of mount). and according to him "he drove his car that hard previously it ripped the two back mounts of the drivers seat out" so i dont understnd how he thinks bolting them to the floor is going to be better/safer ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 10:42
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owain
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darzmat wrote: "he drove his car that hard previously it ripped the two back mounts of the drivers seat out" so i dont understnd how he thinks bolting them to the floor is going to be better/safer Remind me not to accept lifts from that guy  ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 10:43
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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He sounds like a douche.Does anyone know where I can find 306 specific bases for buckets that army going to cost the earth to buy? Or know an easy way to have some knocked up? |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 12:10
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owain
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Matt_rallye wrote: He sounds like a douche. Does anyone know where I can find 306 specific bases for buckets that army going to cost the earth to buy? Or know an easy way to have some knocked up? If you don't want to have seat tubes welded in the Demon Tweeks are pretty much the only option I've heard of, you'll need to phone them up though as they're not on the website. Does also mean you can then adjust the seats to suit different drivers. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 13:20
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dum-dum
Regular  Location: Hayes Registered: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 122 Status: Offline |
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If you weld to the floor youll struggle to see over the steering wheel unless your well over 6ft tall________________________________________ Bianca GTi6 on Gold wheels. Let the haters hate. |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 18:39
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darzmat
Senior User Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
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Matt_rallye wrote: He sounds like a douche. Does anyone know where I can find 306 specific bases for buckets that army going to cost the earth to buy? Or know an easy way to have some knocked up? kam racing have various seat mounts for the 306. ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 19:44
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7057sam
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stowmarket,Suffolk Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 2,080 Status: Offline |
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My cobra mounts work a treat and have harness points on them.________________________________________ Rallye build: 11 November 1998 - a WednesdayTeam rallye,built for track ----Click this if you like rallyes Rallye dead  Secret Team Astor... |
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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 20:26
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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the kam racing one is only showing omp at the moment, and at £100 + |
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Posted 27th Aug 2012 at 07:58
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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the kam racing one is only showing omp at the moment, and at £100 + |
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Posted 27th Aug 2012 at 08:07
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Kam racing have the omp one listed http://www.kamracing.co.uk/peugeot/peugeot-306/interior/seat-subframes-accessories/peugeot-306-omp-seat-subframe.html These suitable for cobra seats? |
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Posted 27th Aug 2012 at 11:44
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