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fordygti

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Post #1
I went to pick this up yesturday, and after a 13 hour round trip I can say it was well worth it.









The spec:

1990 NON SUNROOF miami blue

Genuine 2.1 86.5mm x 88m (fully rebuilt)
Bilsteins
Big valve head


Engine Block:

Cast iron 2.0 block bored to 86.5mm
New 86.5mm pistons and rings
88mm crank (standard is 86mm)
This gives a displacement of 2088cc
All new mains thrust and big end shells were replaced.
The correct bore MLS head gasket.
Millers Fully synthetic oil


Head:

Full skim and pressure test
1mm larger inlet valves
Properly ported
"Fast road" Cams


Exhaust:

Manifold is from a s16 that has been reworked and now flows better than a 8branch mi16 one.
Home made 2.25 system


Drive train:

Brand new SACHS clutch
306 Gti 6 gearbox (low mileage)
Brand new 1.9 Gti Drive shafts

Suspension:

Bilstein sport shocks all round
-30mm springs
309 Gti rear axle with discs
1.9 gti hubs

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 15:02
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spiky

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Post #2
looks nice and straight Smile

not a fan of the mi16 engine, hopefully yours will last Smile

whats ya plan's with it?

road ? track ? both ?

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 15:29
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dav1

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I seen this for sale. Didt he say it would keep up with a 340bhp evo or similar power? Does it feel like it will?

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 15:54
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welshpug!

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needs a proper ecu Thumbs up

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 16:05
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that's a very nice looking 205 Big grin
Nice buy!

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 16:08
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fordygti

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Post #6
The plan is just road at the moment as I have got my 306 track car. But that still got abit of work to get done yet. So Yh I may try it out on track.

Not sure about a 340bhp EVO, but it sure goes, had 156mph out of it last and that was plenty fast enough. That's as long as my tom tom didn't lie.

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 16:10
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miles

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They do go OK on the std 1.9 management but only when std, I did this around 10 years ago now on one and done 3 or 4 since but then the GTi6 engine came and killed off the S16 one, but they are good and with basic tuning mods work better than the 6 engine

Depending on the box you may well have the wrong speedo cog's in there, One of those things people do not think about which will over read by a fair margin

I'd sort the breather system out as that will make a difference on the running

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 22:13
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yippeekayay

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Post #8
Nice one Rich...... and as welsh pug said get an ecu and yr bodies on it and sort the breathers then.

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 22:27
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all these 205 gti6/mi16's... please stop. it is tormenting me rotten

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 22:31
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yippeekayay

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Have a look in the parts for sale rikky its got yr name on it and could have a vts box in the boot.

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Posted 8th Jul 2012 at 22:34
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fordygti

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Anyone no any common problems with the mi16 engines? Just want to no what to watch out for?

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 10:24
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russbez

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looks smart Yes

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 10:46
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mattgti6phase2

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Post #13
The sumps aren't baffled like the 6 engine are they? Can't quite remember Dunno

If so oil surge on a track could potentially be an issue. Nice motor though Thumbs up

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 12:50
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ryangti6

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As matt has said oil surge is probably the most common cause of the bottom end dying on the alloy blocks but I don't think it Is as much of a problem on the cast ones like you have.

In my experience the engine you have is one of the stronger pug engines, I have seen a couple with belt failures but nothing like on a 6 motor. Keep it well serviced and you should be all good.

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 15:54
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welshpug!

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its still a problem on the iron block, mine died from surge/starvation, most will have a single simple baffle but not the smaller one on the oil pump itself.

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 16:10
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fordygti

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I meant to put on the spec, its got a baffeled sump, same as the one I'm trying to sell, I though I mite be able to use it.

Any one want?? Big grin

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 17:45
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mattgti6phase2

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Then as said above the MI16 engine is pretty reliable so having the baffled sump is a bonus Thumbs up

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 18:43
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fordygti

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It sure is a bonus, and am very pleased with how it goes. Smile

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 19:06
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mattgti6phase2

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fordygti wrote:
It sure is a bonus, and am very pleased with how it goes. Smile


I bet it goes like f**k!!! Superman what's the stock bhp on the MI?

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Posted 9th Jul 2012 at 19:14
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fordygti

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Around the 160bhp mark i think.

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 16:57
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mattgti6phase2

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Yes 160bhp

What is the point of the extra 7bhp of a 6 engine? Surely the MI engine is lighter? Anyone know the advantages/disadvantages between the 2 engines?

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 20:10
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welshpug!

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its an iron MI, so its not lighter., same block and crank.

gti6 has much better manifolds, longer rods and lighter pistons, a decent chunk more torque, wider band.

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 20:12
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fordygti

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Welshpug is right its an iron block, I'm pretty sure there is a ali one aswell. I'm not sure. If that's the 140 bhp version. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 20:48
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welshpug!

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yours will be the 155 version being iron.

there's the 160 alloy non cat 1.9 version, and the rare in the UK 1.9 148 bhp lower compression cat version.

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 21:38
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fordygti

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It's an s16 block, not an mi16 block. It's running around the 200 mark now though.Big grin

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Posted 13th Jul 2012 at 21:41
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