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 tarret
Regular  Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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I've got a s16 with 23mm master cylinder, 266mm brembo max discs, black diamond preditor pads and dealers 5.1 fluid,Soon as I drive it hard the brakes cook within few hard harsh brakin and I have no clue why there fading so fast, can anyone help :/ |
 Posted 23rd May 2012 at 00:55
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #2
How "hard" exactly are you driving it when this occurs?  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 06:34
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #3
If the brakes recover once they've cooled, it's not the fluid as once that boils it's gone for good. As Stan says, how hard are you braking? Is this on road or on track? Most road cars will cook brakes if you drive around like a tool on roads. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 09:23
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Fairly hard I'd say, limited a little due to street use, not track, 2-4 harsh braking over a space of a mile and then brakes don't work and pedel goes really spongey |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 09:24
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Yeah to be honest I'd say that's just going to happen. Just one of the many reasons you shouldn't drive like that on public roads  ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 09:25
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Brakes work once cooled, they heat up to quick and fade quicker than the old cheap ones I was using |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 09:30
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Regardless of how hard you are driving its probably worth upgrading to a gti-6 brake setup  ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 11:47
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #8
The size of rotor you are running there and the calipers are just not up to the kind of effort described. If you want some real decent performance upgrade the brake setup in terms of size.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 11:57
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #9
I have never had brake issues with standard pug/citroen pads, I did manage to completely fook the pads in my ZX in 15 minutes, but that was on Llandow and they were cheap s**te APEC ones fitted by the previous owner to MOT it  replaced with Textar pads and they were just fine again.S16 uses 266mm pads, same as my ZX originally did, and the same as most 405's. I have done a trackday in my 405 on standard pads and had no issues (phase2 Mi16) ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 12:01
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #10
welshpug! wrote: S16 uses 266mm pads Do you mean discs? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 12:31
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
Post #11
eliotrw wrote: Regardless of how hard you are driving its probably worth upgrading to a gti-6 brake setup Dont bother to upgrade to a gti 6 brake set up their not going to help matters even with Ferodo 2500 brake pads i have them on my car with 23 mm ms and 5.1 brake fluid and they still crap but loads on here say they are a exellent upgrade.My advice to you would be to go for 4 pots or 6 pot calipers and thats speaking from experience. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 12:42
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Yeah 266mm discs lmao, I've spoken to a mate and he said brakes goin spongey under hard braking is fluid problem, so I've bought new fluid (millers 300 plus) ill see how that goes lol |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 12:43
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: eliotrw wrote: Regardless of how hard you are driving its probably worth upgrading to a gti-6 brake setup Dont bother to upgrade to a gti 6 brake set up their not going to help matters even with Ferodo 2500 brake pads i have them on my car with 23 mm ms and 5.1 brake fluid and they still crap but loads on here say they are a exellent upgrade.My advice to you would be to go for 4 pots or 6 pot calipers and thats speaking from experience. Well bob weve talked about this before but no caliper south of a 6pot will brake like you would like... Trust me mate gti-6 calipers with good pads and fluid with 283mm discs is CLEARLY going to be better than a 266mm setup isn't it. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 13:00
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Yeah that's true plus pad size is bigger on the gti6 |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 13:09
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Exactly.. tbh the gti6 standard setup is very good. I have s**t cheap discs and pads and whoa knows what fluid but it still stops well. I just want brembos because I do really  ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 13:13
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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1. Fit some cooling ducting.2. Ditch the BD pads, I tried some of those on a metro and I'd be happier with balsa wood. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 16:31
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tarret
Regular Location: Maidstone Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Are they really that bad? |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 18:11
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #18
personally rather than f**king around with pads and spending money on your current brake setup which judging by how easy you over heat them sounds to me like its worth getting a gti-6 setup.Tbh if i was you i would get gti-6 calipers. Ferodo ds2500's good fluid and some brembo discs. The better pads along with larger pad + disc contact area should make a big difference. Rather than "just" pads. Its not like a gti6 setup is rare complex to do or expensive. And you sound like you cook brakes good. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 18:19
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #19
GTi-6 setup and some decent fluid bled properly should see you right. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 19:15
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footah212
Senior User  Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: eliotrw wrote: Regardless of how hard you are driving its probably worth upgrading to a gti-6 brake setup Dont bother to upgrade to a gti 6 brake set up their not going to help matters even with Ferodo 2500 brake pads i have them on my car with 23 mm ms and 5.1 brake fluid and they still crap but loads on here say they are a exellent upgrade.My advice to you would be to go for 4 pots or 6 pot calipers and thats speaking from experience. Did you bed the ferrodos in properly? I have run cheap a** delphi discs with ds2500's at trackdays and never had even the slighest fade. There is a FAQ relating to bedding in and putting the pads through a propoer heat cycle. Bedding them in ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:03
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Footage bobs expectation of braking ability is a Vernon like dead stop in a few metres at 130 mph tbh ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:17
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #22
It's gotta be the pads or the driving Both your calipers arent binding are they? ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:31
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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I will have a gti6 setup for Sale soon, recently refurbed, powder coated silver but some rust coming through, low mileage grooved discs and ferrodo ds2500 pads and braided hoses, everything you need to convert. Let me Know if you are interested, yoy can have it in a Week probably. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:34
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: Footage bobs expectation of braking ability is a Vernon like dead stop in a few metres at 130 mph tbh When you hit the brake pedal your car has to stop ASAP unfortunatly mine just does not stop when i want it to which is strange considering everyone else on here has not not got the same problem with their gti6 brake set up.Dont get me wroung this is a much better set up than standard 205 1.9 gti brakes but its just not doing it for me im going to go for 406 brembo's next regardless of the spacer size etc and if that dont work for me Tar ox 6 pots. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:43
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #25
There's something not right with it then because it stops like f**k in mine with the ds2500s, when thereCold you have to press the pedal a bit but after that they are brilliant. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 23rd May 2012 at 23:47
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