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Subject: Longman head Piper 285 cams

yippeekayay

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I have a gti6 longman worked head currently fitted with piper 285 cams and a full set of cams. I will have the head inspected and tested prior to sale.

looking for £600 for the lot or will split
head £350
cams £250
veriers £125

head work cost over £500
Piper 285 cam kit £400+ vat
http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=GTI6BP285H
Full set of verniers £195 + vat
http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=PULDGTI6

I believe these cams need a mappable ecu amd are good for 200+bhp... only reason for sale bottom end loss of compression ( beleived to be a piston ring and an unscrupulous previous owner) .

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:22

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gti6girl

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Looks like my old head I won USC with?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 06:34

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mad scientist

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Interested in the pulleys. I'll send you a message.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 08:44

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yippeekayay

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Engine was allegedly built by the last owner so not sure its yr head though i knew it came from your stomping ground. If it was your head can you identify it in any way?

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 08:56

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welshpug!

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should have a longman id number, Brett Sims could help if you find anything on it.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 09:02

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mike rallye

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would the cams,and pulleys fit straight on a normal head or does it need modifying?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 18:28

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welshpug!

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not with standard pistons.

pulleys fit fine, no mods, not sure what the maximum lift for standard springs is though.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 18:38

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mike rallye

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ok cheers for that, so would i notice a different from just the pulleys or would it need remap?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 19:22

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Mikey S

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theres not much room for adjustment of the cam timing on the standard setup as the tolerances of the rs engine are very fine. you could swing the cam timing slightly and it will vary how the power is delivered but you wont get any ultimate gain really. it wouldnt need a remap.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 19:43

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yippeekayay

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I have 3 people wanting the verniers, mad scientist being first. I am not splitting until head or cams or complete engine sell pending the problems being diagnosed and the block not being scrap as I would rather it go complete. I should also add I have received info that the guy that did the head and rods on this lump was a longman employee until its demise/retirement ( or whatevers still going on there) and may not have marked the head accordingly.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 20:04

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bigbadbowen

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Have you taken the head off yet andy ? Be interested to know about the bottom end being any good ?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 20:08

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yippeekayay

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not yet bbb...... this weekend I hope.... Got too many engines to strip right now.

The rallye engine I spoke to you about was brand new from skips and blew due to the rad being blocked with rad weld limitting the water supply.... so thats that one diagnosed.Cant believe they charged 3k and didnt change the rad.....!!!

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 20:13

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bigbadbowen

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yippeekayay wrote:

Me either that's a shocker ?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:14

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Mikey S

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yippeekayay wrote:

i'll strip the head off this one towards the end of the week andy and let you know Thumbs up

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:35

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yippeekayay

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chris was referring to the head in the advert to see why the engine lost compression not the rallye engine

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:45

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bigbadbowen

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I'm thinking incorrect ring gap ?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:57

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yippeekayay

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I am thinking that after his loss of a ring thread!!! heres to it not scrapping the block....

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 22:04

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bigbadbowen

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Well I guess you will find out when it comes apart ? Guess that's what happens when none engine builders build engines ?

Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 23:22

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welshpug!

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bigbadbowen wrote:

Well I guess you will find out when it comes apart ? Guess that's what happens when muppets build engines ?

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 09:25

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Mikey S

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@welshpug

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 12:49

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davewagon

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What sort of gain could you expect from just the head? (i.e using cams and pulleys from my car)

What else would be needed to swap it over? Remap??

Regards, Dave

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 13:08

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dav1

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Is this head still available ? Cheers dave

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Posted 5th Apr 2012 at 21:47

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yippeekayay

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I have someone looking at the whole engine over the weekend. Will update in sat evening.

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Posted 5th Apr 2012 at 22:40

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daveyboy

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davewagon wrote:

What sort of gain could you expect from just the head? (i.e using cams and pulleys from my car)

What else would be needed to swap it over? Remap??

Regards, Dave

Very little I would've thought. Without the cams, pistons and mappable ECU to mak the most of the extra airflow it would be a lot of work for not a lot of return. But with the above mods it would be a quick way to 200+bhp.

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Posted 6th Apr 2012 at 00:01

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yippeekayay

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update. Head is off and amazingly its lost compression due to a cracked incorrectly fitted piston ring so does NOT need a rebore so whole engine available. Have an interested party who is first in line if that falls through will be open to splitting though these cams need pocketd pistons... I am told that pistons are woosner but was sold the engine as peugeot sport pistons. Next step will be to pull the offending piston out and identify so as to get the correct new ring.

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Posted 7th Apr 2012 at 17:28

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