Post #126
Good effort 
Best of luck getting the engine sorted out!
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 cjm_harris
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Best of luck getting the engine sorted out! 1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
 Posted 26th Oct 2012 at 10:26
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JWP EFi
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Post #127
i'm a big fan of retro fitting non psa enginesany pics of engine mounts, and how did you join the driveshafts? |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 12:44
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306 Rxs
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Post #128
The engine mounts are now being designed, so they can be laser cutted.The gearbox mount will be very similar to the one i had on the gti6 engine. This week there will be some more detailed photos of that. The driveshafts are going to be made from scratch, only using the gearbox cv joints from the civic and on the wheel side, i'll use the peugeot one. ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 20:38
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JWP EFi
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Post #129
i will be following this build thread!, it was only last week when i was speaking to a mate who owns a honda R and we were talking about how hard it would be fitting a K20 to a pug keep the pics coming! |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 20:58
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306 Rxs
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Post #130
The material part is not that hard or difficult, but the cost of the driveshafts is the main one.Eletronics/ECU and etc is the hardest part for me.  ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 21:14
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JWP EFi
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Post #131
i looked into fitting a B203 saab turbo lump given its cheapness, outright tunability and strength, icontacted a couple of driveshaft specialists and they quoted between £4-500 to make me a pair, although one of the companies said if it was a low torque engine then they could've 'cut and shut' the 2 different shafts for a lot less |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 21:20
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306 Rxs
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Post #132
The material and technics that we're gonna use, are the same as the TT/Offroad vehicles use...so we don't expect them to break easily. My budget for 4 driveshafts(2 for spares) is way less than 500£, but it's a home made fabrication, just like most of the parts you see on this project.________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 28th Oct 2012 at 03:39
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prism7guy
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Posted 28th Oct 2012 at 13:09
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JWP EFi
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Post #134
any updates! |
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Posted 29th Oct 2012 at 21:17
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306 Rxs
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Post #135
The updates are only a few...The original gearbox linkage must be changed, because the new engine uses a cable system, so the subframe part of it just disapeared. Standard condition...  Shaved version...  The original cambelt side base for the engine mount must be off...off it goes!!  After some more measuring, some parts just came along to mess with us...   ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2012 at 20:30
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simonjames
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Post #136
top work :thumbs________________________________________ All South Wales Members Click HereTeam Supercharged Black RALLYE ™ (Click Here for Build Project) MY EBAY ITEMS 07943066306 |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2012 at 20:32
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JWP EFi
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Post #137
i would imagine cable shift will be alot easier to retrofitwhats the gearbox clearance like between the subframe? |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2012 at 20:43
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306 Rxs
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Post #138
There's no space at all between the gearbox and the subframe...right on the zone of the steering linkage (LHD), but that's not a problem, because the engine will be fitted with metal engine mounts, wich do not allow any kind of movement.I will take some pictures of that detail. In my case, there's another detail that is helping put the driveshafts aligned properly with the engine...i'm making a wishbone part wich gives me a lot more caster than the standard one. That detail helps the engine to stay a little more to front of the car, and it's not necessary to cut the subframe. The center of the engine is on the exact spot as the xu10j4rs, not messing with weight distribution in the wrong way. ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 3rd Nov 2012 at 20:50
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #139
be interesting to see what your driveshaft angles are like |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 10:34
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306 Rxs
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Post #140
They will stay completly aligned with the gearbox exits...wich even on the civic isn't possible, because they work pointing backwards.________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 10:41
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JWP EFi
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Post #141
looking forward to the pics!how do you plan to join the shafts, sleeved and welded? |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 12:17
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306 Rxs
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Post #142
I'm waiting for them to arrive, so i can confirm the final measurements...After that, i will see the best option for it. ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 12:19
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JWP EFi
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Post #143
how did you measure them? when i looked into a custom conversion i planned to fit dampers without springs then move suspension through its full travel whilst measuring optimal shaft length |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 13:24
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306 Rxs
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Post #144
On it's shortest position, it should be able to move in and out a little bit. The spring inside the cv joint has too has to work.________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 01:24
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306 Rxs
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Post #145
A few more hours were passed around the car, this time on Overhaulin mode. I'm preparing the bodyshell to be stitch welded...and roll next, i hope!!  Ground Zero...again!!    gGearbox vs subframe  Gearbox vs steering rack...this one is going to loose the rear shock due to the electric power steering.  Enough space for the engine to work...  Driveshaft alignment...just like the standard one!!  First upgrade...  ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 01:38
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JWP EFi
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Post #146
that looks very tight between box and subframe, is their any clearance at all? |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 09:31
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simonjames
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Post #147
What induction you gonna use tegiwa or groupe m is what I was wanting but had to settle for a mugen as nothing about at decent money ________________________________________ All South Wales Members Click HereTeam Supercharged Black RALLYE ™ (Click Here for Build Project) MY EBAY ITEMS 07943066306 |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 19:39
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306 Rxs
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Post #148
Simon, I haven't decide yet what induction to use, but will not certainly be one of those fashion honda jdm like tegiwa or groupe m...i don´t have that kind of money, or at least the will of honda owner's. lololIT will be an improved version of my first version, but this time using aluminium or carbon fiber for the tube. T99PUG, it's almost touching, but that's not a problem because the engine will use 100% rigid mounts... If there was any contact, the hamer would take care of the problem. lol ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 19:47
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306 Rxs
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Post #149
Last stage was this... ...now without this,  ...ends up like this!!   Dashboard, fuse box and the enormous wiring behind it...all gone, along with their 5kgs of extra weight. More news from this part for soon.  Another goodie for the S16K...this one counts enough rpm!!  ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 9th Nov 2012 at 20:11
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #150
306 Rxs wrote: Simon, I haven't decide yet what induction to use, but will not certainly be one of those fashion honda jdm like tegiwa or groupe m...i don´t have that kind of money, or at least the will of honda owner's. lolol IT will be an improved version of my first version, but this time using aluminium or carbon fiber for the tube. T99PUG, it's almost touching, but that's not a problem because the engine will use 100% rigid mounts... If there was any contact, the hamer would take care of the problem. lol |
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Posted 10th Nov 2012 at 23:15
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