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birk wrote:
I Killed 3 engines on low boost.
Was that not down to using incorrect spark plugs though Dan?
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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Was that not down to using incorrect spark plugs though Dan? Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Jsa666, see rich for gasket, arp bolts and long answer shells, cheapest I could find them.I learnt my lesson the hard way saying that if I hadn't killed the second engine I'd never off built the high boost engine!! Pics to follow ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 20:07
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chrisd306
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Long answer, mean longmans shells f*cking iPhone!!________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 20:08
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JWP EFi
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chrisd306 wrote: Long answer, mean longmans shells f*cking iPhone!! cheers pal. |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 20:15
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birk
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stan_306gti6 wrote: birk wrote: I Killed 3 engines on low boost. Was that not down to using incorrect spark plugs though Dan? Might have been haha ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo = Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 20:35
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JWP EFi
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Post #31
just out of curiousity, what plugs are you s/c boys using? |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 20:52
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chrisd306
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Post #32
ngk 8's i think im using now or what ever rich said to use i cant mind, but think it was 7's when low boost!________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 21:16
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Comma motorsport oil fail!!    ECU or Fueling issue had to be map/ecu related as after another ecu/map car has been fine.      ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 21:20
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buzzbrightyear
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Long answer  What dies the red light do? ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 21:53
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chrisd306
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red light came on with first engine, second one just wouldnt start, i got 500miles out low boost engines lol________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 22:03
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stan_306gti6
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Chris, I was running Comma Motorsport 5w50 oil on both my low boost AND high boost engines with no problem at all.  I did however, change over to Royal Purple on the super high boost engine just for piece of mind. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 06:57
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
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Not sure what gave up on mine then as engine had already had a complete rebuilt 2 years before by noble motorsport, rich put it down to oil, I run purple royal for while then changed ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 15:00
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sosmotorsport
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Post #38
jsa666 wrote: Cometic do a 1.8mm head gasket, true or false??? before this engine goes back together i'm considering all possible ways of lowering the c/r, even if its only a small amount i really don't like the idea of a decomp plate surly if you have looked at de comp plates etc your as well spending the £500 on a set of pistons than £200 on a de-comp plate and head gaskets lower comp pistons will go alot further than a cometic head gasket or de-comp plates biggest problem with boost builds is money as doing it right unfortunately costs alot in the last few years i have seen , built and mapped alot at all various specs so my biggest advice would be to put as much money (with in reason) as you can afford into the engine etc as doing it twice or three times it ends up costing the same or more. dave ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 20:07
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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soundsofsilence wrote: jsa666 wrote: Cometic do a 1.8mm head gasket, true or false??? before this engine goes back together i'm considering all possible ways of lowering the c/r, even if its only a small amount i really don't like the idea of a decomp plate surly if you have looked at de comp plates etc your as well spending the £500 on a set of pistons than £200 on a de-comp plate and head gaskets lower comp pistons will go alot further than a cometic head gasket or de-comp plates biggest problem with boost builds is money as doing it right unfortunately costs alot in the last few years i have seen , built and mapped alot at all various specs so my biggest advice would be to put as much money (with in reason) as you can afford into the engine etc as doing it twice or three times it ends up costing the same or more. dave i totally understand what your saying in all respects, especially the costs of decomp plates/gaskets etc vs forged pistons. ~£550 plus vat for set of pistons, now we have the proper C/R, next obstacle is the rods, how good are they? and what is the safe limit fir them?, Risk turning boost up, throw a rod which in turn will more than likely damage your nice new pistons. Point taken! |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 20:33
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
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yup thats exactly the problem mate its one big domino effect trust me been there done that loli have actually built engines to basically find the weaknesses and then progress with them am pretty sure rich will tell you that aswell as for std rods had a set at over 300atw safely after that would be lying ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 20:43
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JWP EFi
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Post #41
decided, forged pistons it is. Iv'e learnt alot from this project, the main thing is, theres no such thing as 'budget'turbo conversions lol i know a guy out you way running a turbo'd gti6 in a black 205, hes approx 320bhp on standard pistons and rods (RGY) bottom end, so i can well believe the rods are up to the job |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 21:30
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
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jsa666 wrote: decided, forged pistons it is. Iv'e learnt alot from this project, the main thing is, theres no such thing as 'budget' turbo conversions lol i know a guy out you way running a turbo'd gti6 in a black 205, hes approx 320bhp on standard pistons and rods (RGY) bottom end, so i can well believe the rods are up to the job yup i know him well last time it was on my dyno was 280bhp  and you above comment is bang on ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 21:45
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fatlapit
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Post #43
am on a 5k budget for mine and thats tight!!! and thats with making my own manifold and stuff________________________________________ |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 21:47
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JWP EFi
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Post #44
sosmotorsport wrote: jsa666 wrote: decided, forged pistons it is. Iv'e learnt alot from this project, the main thing is, theres no such thing as 'budget' turbo conversions lol i know a guy out you way running a turbo'd gti6 in a black 205, hes approx 320bhp on standard pistons and rods (RGY) bottom end, so i can well believe the rods are up to the job yup i know him well last time it was on my dyno was 280bhp and you above comment is bang on lol! Am sure you've got spare RGY bottom end kicking about, iv'e got the readies lol |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 21:58
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #45
iv'e been for a passenger seat run in that car, and f*!k me was it rapid, been in a few decent turbo'd cars but this one was something else lol |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:00
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #46
you've obviously not sat in the real black 205 hahahahahRGY engines are harder to get now iv just fitted a complete engine one into a 205 tho lol again tho i would still go down the line of proper pistons as on the rgy engine there more like t16 pistons and just sit below the bore not the best idea as stated earlier ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:06
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #47
sosmotorsport wrote: you've obviously not sat in the real black 205 hahahahah RGY engines are harder to get now iv just fitted a complete engine one into a 205 tho lol again tho i would still go down the line of proper pistons as on the rgy engine there more like t16 pistons and just sit below the bore not the best idea as stated earlier ... a seen your video on youtube chasing that evo! i had a mint RGY engine last year, sold it to a guy in Airdrie who was doing a 8V turbo swap to a Blaze 6, pity i never kept a hold of it. Btw, are the RGY pistons the same as T16? Someone told me that Ecosse's first GTi6 turbo (Nile, P306 GT iirc) was running RGY pistons and rods, any truth in that one? |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:14
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #48
that nile blue 306 is in my workshop just now for a complete revamp ( bit special so cant say too much)proper cage , full paint inside and out , full new engine build etc etc not to sure on the org engine if i am honest but the last engine (that failed) iv just taken apart was Wiseco pistons couldnt tell you if they were exactly the same as t16 pistons but deffo same in Principal ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:25
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #49
sosmotorsport wrote: that nile blue 306 is in my workshop just now for a complete revamp ( bit special so cant say too much) proper cage , full paint inside and out , full new engine build etc etc not to sure on the org engine if i am honest but the last engine (that failed) iv just taken apart was Wiseco pistons couldnt tell you if they were exactly the same as t16 pistons but deffo same in Principal i mind that car when she was freshly built, complete with the chavvy 17's and bonnet vent, nice motor, always liked her. what rods did it have? Just curious. Dianne of ecosse said it was 269bhp with T3, but heard many different tales |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:32
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #50
did / does it have P8 management??? |
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Posted 20th Feb 2012 at 22:34
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