Post #101
Who did this for you Stan?________________________________________
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 clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 18:38
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #102
What would most likely to go first with a standard box the diff or the gear box it's self?So what is the average 0-60 and 0-100 with high boost and mega boost? |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 18:40
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #103
clen666 wrote: Who did this for you Stan? Miles off here...  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 18:43
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atterz
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stafford Registered: 18 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,134 Status: Offline |
Post #104
Would a 5 speed xsara box be tougher?________________________________________ owain wrote: A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July. |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 19:03
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #105
atterz wrote: Would a 5 speed xsara box be tougher? Its hard to say, the advantage that box would have over the '6' box is it doesn't have the weak 3rd gear. Saying that though, I've had mine strenthened and given it plenty of hard miles on the track and its been fine. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 19:43
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #106
pugheaven wrote: What would most likely to go first with a standard box the diff or the gear box it's self? So what is the average 0-60 and 0-100 with high boost and mega boost? Not sure on the standing start times, but in regards to what would break first in the box you would probably find either the gears would strip (especially 3rd) or the diff casing would crack.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 19:46
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #107
stan_306gti6 wrote: I spent £860 to have the gearbox stripped, all bearings replaced, Quaiffe diff fitted (supplied to gearbox builder), all gears shotpeened and coated and all rebuilt ready to fit in car. i suppose the 860 £ don't include the price off the quaiffe lsd right? |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 21:51
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #108
Thats correct, Quaiffe diff was about £550 on top of the £860 I believe. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 21:54
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #109
Thanks for the info Stan  |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 21:55
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #110
No problem mate.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 22:06
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #111
atterz wrote: Would a 5 speed xsara box be tougher? No, RichW managed to break one of them too I believe, both box's about the same I think, Rich broke one by going into third instead of fifth if I remember correctly (at well over 100mph), that did a nice job of stripping the teeth off third gear, I have also done this -shit myself as the limiter immediately cut in -thought I had f*cked the engine at first  ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 22:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #112
I wouldn't recommend going from 5th to 3rd at over 100mph with any gearbox to be honest... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 23:23
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #113
stan_306gti6 wrote: I wouldn't recommend going from 5th to 3rd at over 100mph with any gearbox to be honest... No it was trying to go from 4th to 5th (under heavy acceleration) and went into 3rd by mistake, tis a great way to strip the teeth off your third gear ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 4th Feb 2012 at 23:38
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clen666
Seasoned Pro Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #114
Are any of the BE gearboxes stronger than the 6 box? As I've read that 3rd is particularly weak for whatever reason. ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 09:12
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #115
clen666 wrote: Are any of the BE gearboxes stronger than the 6 box? As I've read that 3rd is particularly weak for whatever reason. stan_306gti6 wrote: atterz wrote: Would a 5 speed xsara box be tougher? Its hard to say, the advantage that box would have over the '6' box is it doesn't have the weak 3rd gear. Saying that though, I've had mine strenthened and given it plenty of hard miles on the track and its been fine. To be honest, given the cost of strengthening the gearbox, and the cost of picking up a replacement, I'd just run a standard one until it breaks (which might never happen) and then think about other options if it does give up. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 09:21
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #116
Rich E wrote: clen666 wrote: Are any of the BE gearboxes stronger than the 6 box? As I've read that 3rd is particularly weak for whatever reason. stan_306gti6 wrote: atterz wrote: Would a 5 speed xsara box be tougher? Its hard to say, the advantage that box would have over the '6' box is it doesn't have the weak 3rd gear. Saying that though, I've had mine strenthened and given it plenty of hard miles on the track and its been fine. To be honest, given the cost of strengthening the gearbox, and the cost of picking up a replacement, I'd just run a standard one until it breaks (which might never happen) and then think about other options if it does give up. That's my plan ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 09:27
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #117
That's why I asked which would brake first, if using a standard box and an uprated diff atb or lsd, and the gears got stripped would it cause damage to the diff? |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 10:00
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #118
pugheaven wrote: That's why I asked which would brake first, if using a standard box and an uprated diff atb or lsd, and the gears got stripped would it cause damage to the diff? My thinking when I did this conversion was that I was spending a LOT of money building the conversion to start with and uprating all the other necessary bits and pieces, I felt it was silly to leave that bit out and make a potential weak point of the project. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 10:05
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #119
stan_306gti6 wrote: pugheaven wrote: That's why I asked which would brake first, if using a standard box and an uprated diff atb or lsd, and the gears got stripped would it cause damage to the diff? My thinking when I did this conversion was that I was spending a LOT of money building the conversion to start with and uprating all the other necessary bits and pieces, I felt it was silly to leave that bit out and make a potential weak point of the project. I planned it but ran out of funds lol, would it damage the new diff if the box said no with the quaiffe inside? ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 10:20
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #120
If the box started to break up inside then bits would make their way down to where the diff is and probably damage it. Depends how badly the box was damaged I suppose. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 10:34
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #121
stan_306gti6 wrote: My thinking when I did this conversion was that I was spending a LOT of money building the conversion to start with and uprating all the other necessary bits and pieces, I felt it was silly to leave that bit out and make a potential weak point of the project. So, by that logic, why did you not just get a Sadev gearbox? They quote maximum torque loadings and will guarantee their boxes will take those figures whereas with a strengthened BE box you still have no real idea about how much torque it will take. The gearbox is still a potential weak point, just to a lesser extent. stan_306gti6 wrote: If the box started to break up inside then bits would make their way down to where the diff is and probably damage it. There's a magnet in the gearbox specifically to catch metal fragments in the oil ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 11:07
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #122
because the SADEV that will take this much torque costs a rather significant amount,a BE box is rated to take mid 200's lbft as standard IIRC.if you want a stronger standard box, ML is the one you want. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 12:52
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #123
Rich,I took this logic as Rich Walker had already carried out the conversion with no gearbox strengthening and no issues with it. Therefore, I thought if I run the same system but add the strengthening to the equation then I would have a potentially very reliable setup. Maybe slightly over-engineered in the circumstances, but I would rather that than a large pile of broken bits! Stan. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 13:08
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clen666
Seasoned Pro Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #124
How easy is it too fit an ML box?________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 13:50
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #125
I was under the impression that there are no frontwheel Sadev gearboxs on the market that will take the Torque output of Highboost. Is the one thing I have been worrying about when i go High Boost as i tend to drive my car very hard could see me destroying plenty of gearboxes. Any one point me in the right direction for a uprated gearbox?________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 5th Feb 2012 at 14:13
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