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i must admit, i really like the way this guy has done it, sleeper, discreet looks, emission control, PNP ecu andoe wiring loom
top work
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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 10th Jan 2012 at 22:06
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #27
358 bhp________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 08:56
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matt evans
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stourbridge Registered: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2,290 Status: Offline |
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290bhp. (ish)________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster  owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 10:16
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FatBastard
Regular  Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Very interesting guesses. Just to remind you, the GT28RS supports up to 350bhp.  Here is a pic of the VEMS ECU:  Since a major change was performed in the engine, and I am working with a stand alone ECU - i needed some gauges: SPA Technique dual boost and EGT:  SPA Technique dual fuel and oil pressure:  SPA Technique dual intercooler in/out air temp:  AEM Wideband (the VEMS also has a WD - so i am running 2 WDs)  AEM Tru Boost - boost control:  Small voltmeter:  KS-3 knock detection system:  Hella tire pressure monitoring system (very informative - i have this one 4 years by now):  oil and water temp i have in the gauge cluster itself. The original XSI did not have an oil temp gauge so i replaced it with a GTI6 gauge cluster. The wiring for the Oil temp exists in the XSI, and also a place for an OEM gauge, they got cheap in XSI the cluster itself.  So now you are probably wondering how did i manage to get all the stuff into the car without turning it to a pile of ugly rubbish in the inside. I'll post more pics later to show what i did and also the dyno stuff plus sharing with your the current problems i have with this set up. BTW - the SPA dual gauges have 3 colors which can be set up anytime - green, amber and red. I am using the red since it blends well with all the other gauges |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 14:54
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
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Dyno:Remember this is a preliminary run and i was very careful with timing advance.  280bhp @ 6100rpm 9.5 psi of boost - I think Birk got it spot on. You can see that the torque and power curves are not stable - i guess its because of the mild ignition advance. I know that fuel mixture is ok - according to WDs. After the peak power - you can see torque fall - i am not sure why, maybe its because the catalytic converter is limiting the flow at this rpm, maybe fuel pump or injectors. If you have more insights, i would be happy to hear. Injectors are going to be replaced with RC 750cc, along with walbro 255 pump. Currently, the 5th gear was blown during cruise driving a week ago , so the car is not mobile until i sort out a good gearbox. |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 19:04
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #31
What cams are in it? Wondering if that's your issue, or its the cat.Do remember that a rolling road is generally completely crap for cooling so could be high inlet temps making it pull timing in the middle of the curves. If it was a volvo on a Bosch me7 that would be the cause. Do you run water/meth injection? ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 19:32
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #32
The cams are GTI6.We ran the dyno on a cold night with ventilation. I dont recall seeing very high aftercooler inlet temps. My guess would be that the cat is blocking exhaust on high rpm. |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 19:45
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #33
I love all the gauges, awsome________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 21:16
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Thanks,They are also very accurate and have warning lights (the SPA ones) |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 09:17
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nadium
Regular  Location: denmark Registered: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 241 Status: Offline |
Post #35
yo mate could u please take pics of the oil-lines and oilreturn to the bottom end ?Cheers |
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Posted 15th Jan 2012 at 19:54
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #36
looks lovely and great project. where did you get the tyre monitor gauge from?________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 15th Jan 2012 at 20:08
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Nadium - The car is in a friend's garage waiting for a new gearbox (it couldnt hold the torque and the 5th gear broke). I'll try to pic the oil lines when i am there.Rallyeash - thanks. I got the TPMS from a site in the US. It is really good, German quality. When you activate it, it shows current temp and pressure and then goes blank until something happens or you press a button. This is really good, because it doesnt distract your attention on normal driving conditions. |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 10:50
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #38
On a standard car the power generally tails off after 6200 rpm depending on the cam advance. They do tend to make more top end with a decat, but then you lose more midrange torque. Not an issue with a turbo of course!What cat does it currently have in there? 100 cell shouldn't restrict it much. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 10:56
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mrdeey
Regular  Location: nearerthanuthink Registered: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 200 Status: Offline |
Post #39
awesome beast you have there , more pics , more pics , more pics ! itching to see all the gauges set up in the car , also with the intercooler set up did you manage to keep the pipework inside the engine bay and clear the standard radiator?________________________________________ now new booted , boosted and flying again! |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 11:00
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #40
The intercooler pipes are very short. They go in and out from the same direction, from the throttle body side. So i didnt need to think about the radiator clearing. I used the radiator space behind to fit SPAL fans.Adam, I have a Magnaflow metallic cat. |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 13:46
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Are you really worried about the power tailing off? I doubt the cat is the issue if its 3" diameter and 100 or 200 cell and the exhaust looks more than up to it. Obviously not the turbo running out of puff either.What does the throttle body go up to? Do the HB S/C guys still use the standard one? ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 15:13
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #42
The GTI6 throttle body is quite large - i think its 70-76mm. It seems, from the dyno, that something is happening after 6100rpm. I cant be sure its the cat, maybe not. I'll need more dyno tuning time. |
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Posted 16th Jan 2012 at 20:59
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russbez
Seasoned Pro  Location: Inverness-Shire Registered: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 7,459 Status: Offline |
Post #43
very nice!________________________________________ TEAM HIGH BOOST SUPERCHARGED RALLYEMy Rallye project thread |
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Posted 18th Jan 2012 at 15:45
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maddriver9
Regular  Location: nr leek Registered: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 341 Status: Offline |
Post #44
scrap the cat till mot time, should free up exhaust flow=more boost________________________________________ 178bhp 205gti6¼ mile in 14.2 |
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Posted 18th Jan 2012 at 21:38
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nadium
Regular Location: denmark Registered: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 241 Status: Offline |
Post #45
did you get some pics of oilline return ect mate ? |
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Posted 21st Jan 2012 at 10:15
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Do you mean the turbo oil line return?Here are some pics of these:   My destroyed 5th gear:  And the gears we are going to use to assemble a custom one  Ceramic clutch bearing place is worn out. We made a bigger bearing to ignore the worn out place:  |
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Posted 11th Feb 2012 at 01:11
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Shouldn't the torque & bhp lines cross somewhere near 5250 rpm or am I just being senile  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 11th Feb 2012 at 10:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #48
senility is setting in  different scaling plus kgm+bhp not bhp+lbft. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 11th Feb 2012 at 10:53
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #49
 ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 11th Feb 2012 at 10:58
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #50
BTW, the gears are taken from mine (my final ratio drive), 1st, 2nd and reverse from a 205 GTI, 3rd, 4th and 5th from 405.Original ratios: 1st - 3.46 2nd - 1.85 3rd - 1.36 4th - 1.05 5th - 0.86 FD - 3.79 New ratios: 1st - 2.92 2nd - 1.85 3rd - 1.28 4th - 0.95 5th - 0.74 FD - 3.79 This will give 2533rpm at 100kph cruise, top speed of 276 kph at 7000 rpm. 5th will be just for cruising around. Once its done, we can get along with the rest of the project. |
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Posted 12th Feb 2012 at 13:57
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