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 stu8v
Newbie  Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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Anyone used these guys? https://www.performancetorsion.comJust after a few reviews to see if they are ok before I buy. It would seem they are the same as PUG1OFFs judging by the photo's ie they are the same but alot cheaper, LOL http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110800373504?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Cheers Stu |
 Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:05
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro  Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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Interested in this. I want some 23mm bars and looked on spoox i think, expensive  What are torsion bars made from? Does anyone on the forum want to make some?  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged  [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:09
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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Off topic:Just noticed you are from Grimsby, I was born there  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:10
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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cjm_harris wrote: What are torsion bars made from? Tortoise. Hence the name. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:15
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: cjm_harris wrote: What are torsion bars made from? Tortoise. Hence the name.  Any trackdays booked mate? ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:17
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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cjm_harris wrote: Off topic: Just noticed you are from Grimsby, I was born there  |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:31
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Not sure if these are the same people that have been talked about on the 205 Forum, But one of them that lists on Ebay won;t give any details of how the bars are made, treated etc which gives you no confidence in them at all, It does make me laugh when people use the term 'Performance Garages' etc, if they where that good I'm sure they would list them ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 6th Jan 2012 at 22:53
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: Not sure if these are the same people that have been talked about on the 205 Forum, But one of them that lists on Ebay won;t give any details of how the bars are made, treated etc which gives you no confidence in them at all, It does make me laugh when people use the term 'Performance Garages' etc, if they where that good I'm sure they would list them But they are the same as PUG1OFF's well if the pics are anything to go off. Well unless he ripped there pics???? Bloody mine field  |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 08:32
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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Thing is, it's not about how they look - the steel needs to be the correct type, as essentially they're springs. They'd look the same if they were made of cast iron, but they'd snap the first time you went round a corner. Oh and Chris, might be doing Rockingham in March As Miles says I wouldn't trust someone who won't say how they're made, if it's a real quality part companies are normally proud of the process as they know it's an expensive one. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 09:15
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #10
ask them ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 09:25
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Just because Pug1off use them means nothing in my book, I'd be looking at the Motorsport preparation companies (AB Motorsport for example) to see what they use as they like me have been around since the 205, 306 was in productionMind I do have customer stock of old PTS bar's so I've never needed to buy any over the last 3 years but there is a batch being made up on 205 Drivers with a proven competition background ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 12:49
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: Just because Pug1off use them means nothing in my book, I'd be looking at the Motorsport preparation companies (AB Motorsport for example) to see what they use as they like me have been around since the 205, 306 was in production Mind I do have customer stock of old PTS bar's so I've never needed to buy any over the last 3 years but there is a batch being made up on 205 Drivers with a proven competition background Want to sell any 23mm ones? |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 16:52
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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stu8v wrote: miles wrote: Just because Pug1off use them means nothing in my book, I'd be looking at the Motorsport preparation companies (AB Motorsport for example) to see what they use as they like me have been around since the 205, 306 was in production Mind I do have customer stock of old PTS bar's so I've never needed to buy any over the last 3 years but there is a batch being made up on 205 Drivers with a proven competition background Want to sell any 23mm ones? +1 Wheres Phil, he makes all sorts. Can you melt down some drain covers to make some torsion bars? ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 17:01
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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That's my supplier, they have never had a bad word from me or my customers.Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 17:53
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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mechanical_repairs wrote: That's my supplier, they have never had a bad word from me or my customers. Carl Nice one. I tend to drive pretty hard! Its just I'd hate to snap one. |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 18:05
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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stu8v wrote: mechanical_repairs wrote: That's my supplier, they have never had a bad word from me or my customers. Carl Nice one. I tend to drive pretty hard! Its just I'd hate to snap one. Me too and i havent snapped one. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 20:23
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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Thats what I need to hear ;-) |
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Posted 7th Jan 2012 at 20:27
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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Same here  Nice one Carl ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 01:35
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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not really snapping yo should be concerned about, just yet anyway.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 09:03
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
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Your running these now arent you welshpug?________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 09:11
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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I think so, they were sourced through a guy on the 106 Rallye register, I believe they are the same source that Anthony uses and where 205parts used to get theirs.Can't grumble at the price really, very nicely finished but that's about all I know, could measure the wheel rate I suppose and see if they measure up but I don't have any way to check the hardness or whether they were heat treated properly. Either Chris Penrose is being fleeced by his supplier, or there's something quite different in the material or process spec, or that its a matter of scales where a large company uses more of this material and does more heat treating, I know Chris has supplied Special Tuning and Shenpar, possibly AB as well. Quite a difference though, £220 to £350, though Chris does have his powdercoated and that is a delivered price unlike the others (the cheaper ones were £180 till recently) has anyone got a straight answer from "performance Torsion" as to the material and processes? this is what chris said when someone on thew 205 forum was having issues with "soft" torsion bars quote: One thing you can do is next time you have the bars out of the beam, take them to a company that is a heat treatment specialist and just ask them to measure the actual hardness on there Rockwell m/c you should have a reading of 40 'Rockwell C' any less then you might as well chuck them in the bin. Something else you can also do but might be a little trickier is take them to a metalurgist company and ask them to identify what material your bars are made from, they should be made from EN47. turned out the bars in question were only coming up to 30 on the rockwell rating  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 09:46
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stu8v
Newbie Location: Grimsby Registered: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 38 Status: Offline |
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The truth is you dont know what anyone is selling?They tell you what you need to hear and thats about it.......... Its not to say the cheaper ones are any different, they could even be the same source for all we know? As for the price difference whose to say the other companies are not just making massive profit and bending you over? One thing I do know is performance torsion do supply pug1off as i emailed them, plus the latter cant price match.......... Over the many years of playing with cars I tend not to trust anyone, specialists included. Remember its all about parting you from your cash. LOL. |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 10:41
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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That's interesting to know about the old 205 parts using these, One reason why I only bought 1 set as the quality if the splines where a joke and nothing was ever done about it.It must have changed thou now by the sounds of it ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 12:46
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velar
Regular  Location: swindon Registered: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 448 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: That's interesting to know about the old 205 parts using these, One reason why I only bought 1 set as the quality if the splines where a joke and nothing was ever done about it. It must have changed thou now by the sounds of it The splines are still a bit iffy in my opinion. They are cut on a kind of saw tooth shape rather than an even crest. I'm using a set on my 306( bought them about 6 months ago), and the splines seam to hold OK, but they don't gave a massive amount of confidence. ________________________________________ L reg "black and blue" phase 1 track 6 |
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Posted 8th Jan 2012 at 14:17
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pinkfloyd
Senior User  Location: Ellesmere port Registered: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 929 Status: Offline |
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velar wrote: miles wrote: That's interesting to know about the old 205 parts using these, One reason why I only bought 1 set as the quality if the splines where a joke and nothing was ever done about it. It must have changed thou now by the sounds of it The splines are still a bit iffy in my opinion. They are cut on a kind of saw tooth shape rather than an even crest. I'm using a set on my 306( bought them about 6 months ago), and the splines seam to hold OK, but they don't gave a massive amount of confidence. And for that reason, I'm out! ________________________________________ Liverpool Motor Club Sprint champion 2017Longton & District Motor Club Sprint champion 2017 Liverpool Motor Club Sprint champion 2016 Liverpool Motor Club Sprint champion 2015 Lancashire & Cheshire Speed Championship Winner 2014 2nd 2013 Winner 2012 2nd 2011 Winner 2010 Winner 2009 Winner 2008 Winner 2007 2nd 2006. |
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Posted 10th Jan 2012 at 07:30
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