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Author Subject: 15" / 16" wheel debate
xaero1

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Post #1
I'll be upgrading my wheels soon and was told to buy a set of 15" Pro Race 1.2s.

However I always thought my car would look better with 16" wheels so I can go for a lower profile tyre. I'll be using the car on track as well.

I know the argument against going bigger is that it spoils the handling and acceleration a bit, however if you compare a 15" cyclone with 55 profile tyre it's a total wheel diameter of 49.1cm, and with a 16" Pro Race 1.2 and a 45 profile tyre it's a total wheel diameter of 49.64cm

As the Pro Race weighs a lot less than the Cyclone I'm guessing the wheel should help the car perform better? Especially as the overall wheel diameter hardly changes Dunno

Is my logic sound, or will the track day specialists tell me I'm wrong?

Oh and if I do buy 16" Pro Race 1.2s am I going for 7" width? Cheers!

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 14:04
matt evans

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Post #2
You'll struggle to find decent reasonably priced track day tyres in 15" let alone 16"'s.....

16 are fine for the road, 15"s better on track. Any reduction in unsprung weight is a benefit, regardless of wheel size.

Have both, thats what i do.

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 14:24
chrisd306

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Post #3
16" are more expensive than 15"s for tyres and ronnie Tom wheels around based near me has loads of part worn 15"s and supplies Yokohama 048's and slicks part worn or new, you can get good enough brakes under 15"s aswell hope that helps Lee

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 16:17
welshpug!

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you can get ado8's at £75 each, much better tyre than the r888 which cost about £100.

ao48's are around the £100, not so bad really.


in 15" that is 16" is usually quite a bit more.

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 18:50
chrisd306

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Post #5
I don't like the ado8's prefer 888's or o48's

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 22:20
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why?

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 23:10
chrisd306

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Maybe it's ad 038s I had, what's tread like on them? I can't fault 888's and work out cheaper for me, also 888's work well in the wet

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Posted 30th Nov 2011 at 23:18
lewisdmz

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Post #8
45 profile will be shite on the road won't they? Harsh ride and tramlining all over the proverbial shop.
Posted 1st Dec 2011 at 22:23
welshpug!

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no, not on a 205 width, depends on the wishbone bushes

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Posted 1st Dec 2011 at 23:12
coskev

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Post #10
16's look alot better than 15's,but not with 195/45 tyres IMO,look way to low profileThumbs down

Got 205/45 16's on mine on 7 inch alloys with ET15 offset,handles spot on,only slight downside is tyres touch rear arches if you go down a dip in the road at speedThumbs down

Will prob get the arches rolledSmile

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Posted 4th Dec 2011 at 11:26
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This is a load of shit surely? If 16 inches are so bad what the f*ck are 17s like... 16 inch wheels are not big, nor are 17s, people with focus rss and corsa vxrs do fine with a thin sidewall... at the end of the day I'm getting 807 brembos so I'm going 16 regardless

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Posted 4th Dec 2011 at 21:57
welshpug!

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because they are big lardy vehicles designed for them Thumbs up

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Posted 4th Dec 2011 at 23:18
ballardpaul

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Post #13
16s look the best, 17s are too big and make the rear brakes look tiny IMO

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Posted 4th Dec 2011 at 23:28
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Post #14
id run 16's if i had to for brakes, but wouldnt run 17's although i can get slicks silly cheap for 17's. happy running 15's tho as my brakes have never let me down on track and do get some abuse!!

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 12:27
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welshpug! wrote:
because they are big lardy vehicles designed for them Thumbs up
yeah and there wheels are 3 inches larger Shock or in the corsas 2 inches... and the corsa is the same weight no?

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 13:30
welshpug!

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1166 kilos for the corsa, and a big fat 1468 kilos for the focus RS.

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 13:48
daveyboy

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Ask any automotive engineer and they will tell you big wheels wreck the handling and ride quality of a vehicle, they ONLY reason the fit them is to follow aesthetic trends put in place by designers and supported by customers buying habits. They spend millions designing suspension systems that work well DESPITE having 5-10 kilos of extra unsprung weight hanging off each corner of the car. 15" will perform best and give the brst value for money, however, 16" are'nt much worse performance wise but the tyres are far dearer. Up to you.

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 13:59
xaero1

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Post #18
TBH I drive a low number of miles per year so tyre cost doesn't put me off.

I also stand by my original argument that 16" with a lower profile tyre would give almost the same total wheel radius to a 15" cyclone with 55 profile tyres... so why would performance change - especially if the Pro Race 1.2s weigh less.

Thanks for all replies though

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 14:09
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Is there much difference in tyre weight between 15-16-17"?

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 14:36
welshpug!

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difficult to say specifically without going and weighing tyres, car tyre manufacturers don't list weights for some reason

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 15:08
eliotrw

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Daveyboy I get all that, all I'm saying is that 16's can't be THAT bad, they are only a bit bigger than standard and the sidewalls still not thin,
The relevance of involving a corsa is its roughly the same weight but the wheels are 3 inches bigger than standard 306 ones. So clearly if the ride in a corsa is ok with 18's a six won't have "ruined handling" with wheels one inch bigger and in the grand scheme of things still small.
I'm just trying to bring proportion into it.

Anyway the main thing swaying me towards 16s, other than brakes..., is an increasing lack of good performance tyres in the sixes wheel size. At 16 you have a lot more choice. With a 15s its pe2's or nothing. Don't bother mentioning rs2s, they are like hens teeth.

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 17:52
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Eliotrw, yu mentioned putting 807 Brembos on your 6. Have you checked what size discs you'll need to put on? As i'm looking at a set of those brembos myself and even found one, i just need to figure out where i'm going to get the brake lines as i'll need some that are TUV approved to ppass MOT. Thanks in advance
Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 18:06
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Post #23
eliotrw wrote:
Daveyboy I get all that, all I'm saying is that 16's can't be THAT bad, they are only a bit bigger than standard and the sidewalls still not thin,
The relevance of involving a corsa is its roughly the same weight but the wheels are 3 inches bigger than standard 306 ones. So clearly if the ride in a corsa is ok with 18's a six won't have "ruined handling" with wheels one inch bigger and in the grand scheme of things still small.
I'm just trying to bring proportion into it.

Anyway the main thing swaying me towards 16s, other than brakes..., is an increasing lack of good performance tyres in the sixes wheel size. At 16 you have a lot more choice. With a 15s its pe2's or nothing. Don't bother mentioning rs2s, they are like hens teeth.


Are Corsa's renowned for bieng great handlers or drivers cars? If they are it slipped by me and the rest of the motoring world. 16" wheels will be fine, but go too low on the profile and the ride becomes pretty poor, my Rallye came into my posession with 205/40/16 fitted and it was crashy as a bag of chisels. It was streets ahead with 195/45/16 on and as said by others on here would be better again with 15" wheels. I personally think 15" wheels although optimal for acceleration/handling don't suit the car in terms of looks, and 17" make it look like a rollerskate. All mine have had 16" fitted as they IMHO suit it the best, but anything bigger does tend to f*ck up the ride on anything other than billiard table smooth roads (Which I dont see mmuch of in these parts) I would'nt get too hung up on trying to match the rolling radius of 15s unless you are worried about your speedo bieng out.

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 19:15
matt evans

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Have you been in a Corsa VXR with 18" wheels? My mate Rich has one as his company car and its about as comfortable as falling downstairs wearing leg calipers. Ride is SO much harsher than a 306 gti6, either with or without 16" wheels.

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 20:02
eliotrw

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Yeah I have, about 30 times, best mate has an arctic and it handles well imo and the ride isn't too harsh tbh.

Marco I think the best discs are from a 307 ,If you know where to look you can get 807 brembos pretty easy, nico has the setup in the brake setup thread.
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The best you could choose are 807 V6 calipers with 307 hdi 136hp/307 180hp discs and subaru STI

The discs he used were 302 x 26

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Posted 5th Dec 2011 at 21:50

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