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106lad

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Theres a budget race series starting in NI soon, and im having real thoughts about entering, just so it gives me something other to do on a sunday than being hungover LOL

The regulations dictate that the car must be:

Manufactured between 1991 - 2004
N/A Only up to 3500cc
No Engine Conversions.
Car must retain original engine & gearbox layout

Engines up to 1800cc limited to 110bhp/litre
Engines up to 2200cc limited to 100bhp/litre
Engines over 2200cc limited to 80bhp/litre
Engines over 2500cc limited to 70bhp/litre

2WD cars only

So far been thinking along the lines of a 6, But the rules allow for DC2 Integras, which would render the 306 not much competition?

An alternative would be 106 GTi/VTS Saxo/Xsara?

Trying to figure out how good the 306 would be in comparison. And would a Cheap (£500 mark) 6 break my heart in breakdowns LOL

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Mark

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You could probably use a TB and Cammed 6 that would still be legal in terms of regs. A DC2 would be a good choice, but the money you save buying a 6 in the first place could give more money for you to spend on bits you want on the car.

I think a 6 would be competitive with a DC2 though Yes

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 13:47
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Is that limited to the bhp/litre output and mods are allowed to get there (if so, how the hell are they going to police that?!) , or is that refering to the standard power output and no engine mods?

Lightest car you can get is going to kick arse. Kitcar with lightweight car engine or an old-gen bike engine.

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Clio 182 / 172.

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 13:55
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Good point Phil Yes

If your budget will allow, I would go for a kitcar. Even a Zetec engine Westfield on carbs will fit into the regs and still kick arse Yes

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:06
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106lad

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cjm_harris wrote:
You could probably use a TB and Cammed 6 that would still be legal in terms of regs. A DC2 would be a good choice, but the money you save buying a 6 in the first place could give more money for you to spend on bits you want on the car.

I think a 6 would be competitive with a DC2 though Yes


Meant to say, only modifications allowed are Airfilter, Exhaust from manifold back & Remap (IE ECU mods)

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:07
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106lad

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phillipm wrote:
Is that limited to the bhp/litre output and mods are allowed to get there (if so, how the hell are they going to police that?!) , or is that refering to the standard power output and no engine mods?

Lightest car you can get is going to kick arse. Kitcar with lightweight car engine or an old-gen bike engine.


No idea, and being honest, i think its more a bit of fun thing than a strictly policed thing. i think its standard power to be truthful too.

Kitcar will be silly money.

im thinking cheap Razz

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:09
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106lad

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bennn wrote:
Clio 182 / 172.


too much money.

Im really only looking to spend probably up to £1000? MAX on a standard car, reason im looking at a 6 is because they can be got quite cheaply Smile

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How would they know if you had cams fitted though? Whistle

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:11
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106lad

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Ninja exactly Whistle

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I think you can still be competitve in a grands worth of 6 Yes

They can be very capable and like you said, can be bought for peanuts these days (not sure about prices over the water though)

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:13
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106lad

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Im still working in London, just no car here now (M3 is in NI). So ill buy one here and take it over, just finding on is the issue.

But what i would LOVE is a 6, caged, buckets, harness etc & Road Legal Ninja

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You'd be surprised what you can pick a ropey kitcar up for if your prepared to put some work in, nearly got a non-runner last year for less than a grand, just needed some welding work and the bodywork was crap (non a bother for a race car though...)

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 14:26
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106lad

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Not so interested in a Kit Car, just fancy something i can have fun as a fast road/track car. (I do realise a kitcar would do that but i like the feeling of tin around me)LOL

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Well, you can do it, but don't expect to be at the sharp end.

And don't underestimate the running costs, tyres, pads, discs, fluids, oils, etc, are going to double that budget over a year. Part of the reason you'd be better with something lighter too LOL:

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:10
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106lad

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I know, but theyre standard perishables. And for the amount of time itll be out over a year in comparison to keeping that fecking M3 on the road will be buttons LOL

So, in reality what would be best.

Xsara vs 306 vs Saxo??

Saxo has a slight advantage for weight, but they are coffins on wheels LOL

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:20
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You gave the regs for the different engine sizes, are those grouped seperately? Or are you in competition with all of the other engine classes? (I assume so)

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:27
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Save for the DC2, better handling and power straight out of the box, more aerodynamic and stable. Better gearbox and suspension as well. Plus its more modern and more reliable than a 12 year old French hatch. Just look how well the privateers do in BTCC with old Integras, they are right there in the thick of it keeping the tail end works teams honest. Mopre expensive to buy initially yes but you save plenty as it will need less upgrading to be competetive. Lets face it, you don't want to just be making up the numbers if you are putting that much effort in, buy the Teg.

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:33
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106lad

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Like i say, its not a race series to be taken too seriously. Its all in together, the regs are so noone rocks up in an M3, try and keep then all competitve

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:36
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Its worth checking that kit cars are eligible if you are thinking of that. Sounds like its geared towards production models and if thats the case a kit car is'nt really in the spirit of the competition. It would be a shame to invest in a car that gets disqualified after the first meeting or gets flatly refused from the word go.

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:37
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106lad

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like i say, ive discounted kitcars anyway. I just want to find out about which would be the most competitive between Xsara vs 306 vs Saxo

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:40
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All I would say is its costly to add speed and performance to a vehicle (I'm finding out the hard way) so buying the fastest most together car right off the bat has to be the best way to go. A race prepped Integra should hold it's value fairly well if you don't bend it. I know you said you want to keep costs down but most likely the bug will bite hard and you will want to be chasing fastest laps and trophies (frankly if you are'nt why get off the sofa anyway) so save the aggro of plowing money into a car that ultimately is'nt as fast and go for the car that was designed as a motorsport competitor from the start.

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:43
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106lad

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Yeah i see what your saying but if i can get into it with the 306/or whatever to start with, if the quest for speed takes over then ill think about upgrading. Need to run before i can walk if you know what i mean.

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 16:45
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honda CRX....
toyota levin (TB as standard)
Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 17:11
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106lad

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lotek wrote:
honda CRX....
toyota levin (TB as standard)


CRX Vtecs with the b16a start at Integra money.

Sourcing Parts for Levins could pose troublesome Sad

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Posted 5th Sep 2011 at 17:14
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