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berger

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Post #26
You would need a monster oil cooler to keep it below 100C.

Prism guy has two coolers and still hit 110C on the ring! I imagine you would drive harder on a track compared to the ring as well since you would know the corners a lot better!

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 17:58
daveyboy

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Post #27
alexd wrote:
So is the best idea to use normal oil but change it more regularly, i.e. every two track days?


False economy, buy good oil, keep it cool, change every six months.

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 18:00
daveyboy

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Post #28
berger wrote:
You would need a monster oil cooler to keep it below 100C.

Prism guy has two coolers and still hit 110C on the ring! I imagine you would drive harder on a track compared to the ring as well since you would know the corners a lot better!


I don't think many people pay enough attention to getting the hot air out of their coolers or where they mount them. A 16 row should be more than capable of keeping temps down, but you have to get the water temp down too, closer to 70 degrees. That way you can run more advance and more compression ratio and develop more power/torque without fear of detonation. Everything works better and lasts longer if it's kept at a sensible temperature.

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 18:09
alexd

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Post #29
So where is the standard oil cooler located, and where should a 16 row one be placed?

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 18:11
daveyboy

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Post #30
alexd wrote:
So where is the standard oil cooler located, and where should a 16 row one be placed?


Standard heat exchanger is on the front of the block, the oil filter screws onto it.

The cooler wants to be in good airflow, not partially obstructed behind a foglight hole or numberplate, and the hot air must be able to pass through it. Lots of people ditch their undertray but that tends to cause a high air pressure zone under the engine, which means hot air cannot escape easily. The air can't get out of the top of the bonnet either as the point where the bonnet meets the glass causes a high pressure area as the air is forced to change direction there, also there is a rubber gasket sealing the rear of the bonnet to the front bulkhead so hot air is'nt leaving that way. (Thats why bonnet lift kits don't really seem to work, plus they look w*nk) If the entire underhood reigion of the car is full of hot air then the cooler won't work even if it was 20 row. So you need to work on mounting the cooler somewhere it can achieve good through flow, maybe even knock up a cowling for it from sheet metal with a ducted exti leading to twin outlets under the car perhaps. A bit involved yes but if your 16 row cant comfortably knock 15-20 degrees off your oil temps it was a waste of money.
A fella on here has a 16 and his temps were sky high but it was stuck behind a foglight and not getting good inlet and exhaust flow. Thats why I'm adding louvres to my engine bay, fitting a nice big ally rad, an undertray and an oil to water cooler.

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 18:23
prism7guy

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Post #31




That's my setup, but it still get's a bit toasty.

I hadn't thought about what Jim was saying, i may have to use some of my spare ducting to try and get some of the hot air out from behind the rad and see how i do at Oulton in a couple of weeks.

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Posted 7th Jul 2011 at 22:33
binkagti

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Post #32
I run a 19 row oil cooler, my oil has NEVER gone above 94c and my water sits around 80c, i know i have a turbo and maybe the oil going round the turbo helps, i changed from a 13 row and never looked back.

In winter i just block oil cooler off with cardboard lol.

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Posted 8th Jul 2011 at 02:20
higgy306

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Post #33
I run Halfords semi synth 10w40 with a Mocal oil cooler. It is always warmed up and doesn't get hot, so I've never had any problems with low oil pressure or starvation.

My oil cooler has a stat, but I always cover the oil cooler over when not on track.
Posted 8th Jul 2011 at 02:52
daveyboy

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Post #34
binkagti wrote:
I run a 19 row oil cooler, my oil has NEVER gone above 94c and my water sits around 80c, i know i have a turbo and maybe the oil going round the turbo helps, i changed from a 13 row and never looked back.

In winter i just block oil cooler off with cardboard lol.


Thats a good example of a working cooler setup then. By the way, when driven hard your turbo will be glowing cherry red and doing it's level best to incinerate the oil going through it so the return oil feed will be significantly hotter than the inlet Wink

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Posted 8th Jul 2011 at 03:05
binkagti

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Post #35
Good point, when mapping the turbo was turning purple lol, poor oil.

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