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Disco_Stu

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I’ve just had the head dipped in a cleaning tank, however there seems to have been a problem and the cleaner has been more ‘aggressive’ than wanted (Doh!!)

In the photos below you can see that the casting where the camshaft sit now have a slightly rough surface.
I have also measured the gap between the cam journal and casting with Plastigauge and the gap varies between 0.050mm – 0.063mm

Question; have I #@*’ed my head? Or can it be used?



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Close up (you can see the part which was not removed (had some sealant on)


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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 00:36
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welshpug!

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hmmm, the only solution I can think of would involve facing the head to cam ladder surfaces and line boring where the camshaft sits to restore the machined finish.

whether that's viable versus the cost of another head is debatable, given you can pick up a decent gti6 head for about £100 or so.

time to see the advice of an engine builder or remanufacturer I reckon Sad

only few I know of around here is South Wales pistons in cardiff, or JSE engineering in Pengam, just up the road from Ystrad Mynach.

dont know any over cwmbran way.

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 01:00
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Its f*cked

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 16:10
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I would get on to the guy who dipped it in the caustic soda tank and tell him he owes you for a repalacement head. Every machined surface is destroyed, even the threads are damaged. The head is scrap now, it's not possible to save it at all.

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 20:04
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ohh dear!

won't be resorting to that method of cleaning Dry

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 19:37
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daveyboy wrote:
Its f*cked


At least its cleaned... you can always display it in your living room LOL

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 19:42
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Shock That looks like its been left in some sort of acid.... that'll never repair i'd be goin back and requesting compensation, u asked them to clean it not destroy it!

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 19:48
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vandal.pr! wrote:
daveyboy wrote:
Its f*cked


At least its cleaned... you can always display it in your living room LOL


Yeah that could look quite Top gear Esq as a coffie table! get some Blue lights on it! Wink

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 19:54
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jeffers wrote:
Shock That looks like its been left in some sort of acid.... that'll never repair i'd be goin back and requesting compensation, u asked them to clean it not destroy it!


Thats what caustic soda is Roll eyes it cleans up cast iron beautifully, but if you put anything ally in there it has to be monitored regularly to make sure its not removing material. Once clean it then needs to be neutralised in water or an alkali solution.

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Posted 9th Jun 2011 at 00:43
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daveyboy wrote:
jeffers wrote:
Shock That looks like its been left in some sort of acid.... that'll never repair i'd be goin back and requesting compensation, u asked them to clean it not destroy it!


Thats what caustic soda is Roll eyes it cleans up cast iron beatifully, but if you put anything ally in there it has to be monitored regualrly to make sure its not removing material. Once clean it then needs to be neutralised in water or an alkali solution.

I know that! s'pose i was statin the obvious... Blush

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 20:52
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Thanks guys Sad

It was dipped in "Masco 245-dm Alkaline cleaner at 7% concentration and added 503-spray 1:20 ratio"
To be fair the person who dipped it is a friend who was doing me a favour where he works. with it being an alkaline cleaner they thought it would have been ok. I have had other steel (steel being the key word I think) parts dipped before and it does not even take off the paint, it just removes the grim. No idea what has happened this time.

al least it will look nice as a table stand - lol

Glad I have that spare engine now - phew!

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Posted 8th Jun 2011 at 23:29
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Aluminium is more reactive than steel so caustic soda (alkaline solutions) p*ss through it.

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Posted 9th Jun 2011 at 00:38
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Disco_Stu

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Quick question that I hope one of you might know the answer to... Is a M16 head the same as the Gti-6 head?

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Posted 16th Jun 2011 at 03:37
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No, only the Xsara VTS has the same head as the GTi-6 / Rallye

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Posted 16th Jun 2011 at 03:55
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Rich E wrote:
No, only the Xsara VTS has the same head as the GTi-6 / Rallye


Thanks for the quick answer Wink

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Posted 16th Jun 2011 at 03:56
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welshpug!

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and the Euro/South America only Phase 2 ZX 16v Smile

not that you'll find one over here LOL

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Posted 16th Jun 2011 at 13:20
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