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 denwar
Regular  Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
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fiited new belt the day, twice infact, pinned the head and pinned the crank pulley, remove pins when belts been fitted, it locks up when i try to rotate eng, am i correct to think that the crank pulleys can slip on these, so the result would be timing incorect ?________________________________________ denwar |
 Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:05
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #2
yup.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:07
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #3
are these t.d.c at midbore ?________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:15
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Ouch.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:19
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #5
no, TDC is always at TDC.however yes they do lock at mid bore, not TDC. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:20
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #6
can the flywheel be pinned from behind the starter to get timing tits on ?________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:24
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #7
no, that's only the XUD and DW8.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:24
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Doh!  Dig deep time!  ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:34
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pugjim
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sheffield Registered: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,380 Status: Offline |
Post #9
not simples  |
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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:53
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #10
denwar wrote: to think that the crank pulleys can slip on these Just abit!  Thought it was common knowledge Mine that has slipped slightly   ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 10th Feb 2011 at 04:36
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #11
You'll be needing some new valves.________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 10th Feb 2011 at 07:15
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tvrfan007
Seasoned Pro  Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
Post #12
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Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 12:40
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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Doh! surely all the timing holes couldn't of been lined up? head off new valves needed then! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 13:32
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #14
rallyeash wrote: Doh! surely all the timing holes couldn't of been lined up? head off new valves needed then! Can't have pinned them before removing old belt? Then moved the crank to time it up with belt off?  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 22:28
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #15
i didnt start the car guys, it turned out it was just the bottomk pulley that had slipped, i just robbed one from another gti6 in the garage, fired the 3 pins into her adjusted the verniers and nipped up the belt, runs quiete as a mouse, gave it new water pump at same time, new drive belt and a brand new auto tensioner, runnung very well considering its rolling onto 150k, and i only paid 500 for the car , short mot and tax though. ________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 22:49
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720puggti
Seasoned Pro  Location: West London Registered: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,069 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I don't understand why people get into such a fuss over the timing of the engine.As long as the engine was running properly prior to changing the belt, pinning the cams into place is all that's really required, as the crank is timed as long as the cams are. You then whip off the crank pulley mark the crank against the block with some tipex and remove the belt. Replace the belt and gubbins and turn it over with the pulley on, remove pulley again make sure cams are pinned and the tip ex mark should line up. But those are just my thoughts... I guess people feel confident with an aligned pulley. BTW Denwar, the first time I rebuilt my engine it only began tapping after a while. If yours doesn't tap I'd consider you extremely lucky as it doesn't take a lot to bend these valves; even a fraction. I hope what happened to me doens't happen to you... ________________________________________ Deepak Gohil |
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Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 22:58
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denwar
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 287 Status: Offline |
Post #17
it wasa fairly new pulley i used to time mine, i usualy just take out plug 1 and 2 and use 2 cable ties to set midbore and pin the head.________________________________________ denwar |
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Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 23:12
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #18
720puggti wrote: I don't understand why people get into such a fuss over the timing of the engine. As long as the engine was running properly prior to changing the belt, pinning the cams into place is all that's really required, as the crank is timed as long as the cams are. You then whip off the crank pulley mark the crank against the block with some tipex and remove the belt. Replace the belt and gubbins and turn it over with the pulley on, remove pulley again make sure cams are pinned and the tip ex mark should line up. But those are just my thoughts... I guess people feel confident with an aligned pulley. BTW Denwar, the first time I rebuilt my engine it only began tapping after a while. If yours doesn't tap I'd consider you extremely lucky as it doesn't take a lot to bend these valves; even a fraction. I hope what happened to me doens't happen to you... Totally agree, although I guess if you don't do it very often people would be more comfortable with the correct alignment of the pulley.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 23:19
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Tbh I prefer to use the timing pins and lock the cams together with the special tool when loosening and tightening the cam pulley bolts, it is the right way after all,There is nothing wrong with doing it the way suggested on here if you are competent enough I suppose although if not it is the cause of many tapping engines I fear, The Autodata Faq on here is the best guide I think, also I don't like the method of lining the woodruff key with the 9 o' clock bolt (although it is a good visual check to make sure you are in the ballpark) as I think it's not accurate enough, I have seen a cambelt done this way and then checked with the timing pins and the cam pins did not go in (but were very close), Just my opinion of course and others may say near enough is good enough but I prefer to be 100% spot on ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 00:41
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