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vulpine2

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I have an X reg DTurbo which has had a few 'issues' with the rear beam. After problems with a replacement beam off a GTi I took the plunge and, at 117k miles, got my original beam refurbed (Retro Revival £450, good people). New rear axle mounts fitted at the same time as they were looking a little tired. At 125k I got similar symptoms as a knackered beam - knocking noises over poor road surfaces, back end feeling loose etc. tho' the position of rear wheels looked ok. Rear beam was checked out under warranty but it eventually turned out to be one of the front mounts. Only 5k miles later & Ive got the same symptoms again - I can't believe one of the mounts has gone again so quickly !(IIRC both were replaced - brand unknown but not OE). Is it possible that a badly warped brake disc will have contributed to this early failure?
(I recently discovered that the OS rear disc was warped and the NS corrdoded when checking them due to poor feel thru the pedal.)
Any way of confirming the problem is def one or other of the front mounts before I chuck yet more money at the car?
I'm assuming that they need to be replaced in pairs if one has failed. If so I might be tempted to lash out an extra £80 or so over Lemforder gear and go for Miles solid mounts if it will sort the problem for good.
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Posted 3rd Jan 2011 at 19:39
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daveyboy

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It will sort it for good and will vastly improve the feel of the car. If you had a badly warped rear disc that would cause the rear beam to twist on its mounts instead of pulling up true. Suprised its failed that quick though. Maybe it was faulty and the brake issue accelerated the filure. If you intend to stick with the car you cant go wrong fitting solid mounts mate. I don't make them refurb mounts anymore or I'd be trying to sell you a set of mine. Miles' ones are top quality and you wont regret fitting them. If you want to save a few quid Birk on here does remanufactured mounts in a similar style to my old ones, eirther way you won't want to go back to rubbery handling Wink

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Posted 5th Jan 2011 at 13:40
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smegal

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What make were the mounts you fitted? If they were QH then it will just be poor mounts.

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Posted 3rd Jan 2011 at 20:25
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jord294

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this is one reason i bought genuine peugeot mounts when i rebuilt my beam

pattern parts are a No No

i've never heard any positive comments from people who have used retro-revival

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Posted 4th Jan 2011 at 00:03
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ablister

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it's a shame genuine mounts are so expensive though

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Posted 4th Jan 2011 at 00:13
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welshpug!

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they cost about 3 times more but last over ten times as long Hmm

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Posted 4th Jan 2011 at 00:33
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jord294

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it's the old saying

'you get what you pay for' Big grin

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Posted 4th Jan 2011 at 00:45
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tvrfan007

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Rear brakes make negligible difference imo unless these mounts were made from cheddar. I ate a set of rear pads in 600 miles once when one of my rear calipers was stuck on and my beam lasted another 65K after that at 180K. I fitted a replacement beam and banged on the Pug mounts that came with it as even though the old ones looked fine I knew they had 100K less on the new ones.

225K now and beam and mounts are fine. fit solid mounts and be done with it, Miles' mounts are excellent bits of kit. Pattern parts are shite generally.

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Posted 5th Jan 2011 at 12:46
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coskev

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Who are the Gen Pug mounts made by?Wink

Could be a cheaper waying of getting the same quality mounts if anyone knows Smile

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Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 03:18
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lotek

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Post #10
pattern part mounts are fine.
motaquip jobbies will do the job if not gsf.


like saying a pattern part throttle cable wont last as long as a pug one Roll eyes

just make sure its OE spec or your asking for trouble..
Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:12
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welshpug!

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It was two companies that made them, PAULSTRA and RENNES B.T.

edit, bit of cross referencing pug to Citroen and it was the Paulstra mounts that were used on sport chassis.

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Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:27
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lotek

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diddnt lemforder play a part?
Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:27
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Rich E Forum Admin

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Post #13
lotek wrote:
just make sure its OE spec or your asking for trouble..


That's the problem though. The sports models have stiffer rubber in the mounts which can only be sourced through Peugeot. A motor factor sourced OEM one will use the softer rubber found in the mounts for the lower models.

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Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:34
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lotek

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unless he physically gets the book out and orders the correct ones like my autofactors do?

plus the HDI isnt a sport model yet features the same mounts?

jeffers uses standard cheapy mounts on his track car and his are fine.
i use firstline for OE spec parts and havent ever had an issue or failure.
Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:40
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Rich E Forum Admin

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Thank you for proving my point - Fist Line list exactly the same mounts for all 306 models.

Peugeot supply firmer ones for the sport models.

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Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:48
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welshpug!

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if its a DTurbo HDI it is a sport model, full gti6 spec same as XSI.

firstline is Gash in my experience, do not believe their o.e quality guff Laugh my ass off

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Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:49
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lotek

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Post #17
anyway the op has a d turbo...
so any mount he gets given at factors will be fine.

it lasted 5k whos to say he hasent raped car for 5k?
tyres should last 10k but do they ever?
beam mounts are a consumable and a cheap one at that
Posted 6th Jan 2011 at 04:50
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vulpine2

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Post #18
It's an HDi DTurbo i.e. sports suspension. Mildly modified (eg the ECU has been tweaked but mainly for flexibilty) and rarely thrashed.
I can only assume that the replacement mounts were not OE as they were £55, as fitted by Retro Revival after I went back to them as I suspected the refurbed beam was going again. I prefer to use good quality aftermarket stuff and would have asked for Lemforder kit had I known the mounts were at fault. Seeing as RR checked over the beam and then fitted the mounts for nowt it would be churlish to complain. My only issue with RR is that they are 50 miles from me and (like me!) are in the middle of nowhere...
If it is the mounts I will most likley go for solids, esp given info from Rich - and will prob. be having a crack at it myself. But I still don't know 100% that it is. Is there any way of confirming without dropping the beam to check - as I only want to do that the once ...?

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Posted 7th Jan 2011 at 20:06
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birk

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As per my pm, i can do solid mounts for £120 exchange basis, with a £20 return when i get the old mounts.

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Posted 9th Jan 2011 at 20:27
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coskev

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welshpug! wrote:
It was two companies that made them, PAULSTRA and RENNES B.T.

edit, bit of cross referencing pug to Citroen and it was the Paulstra mounts that were used on sport chassis.


CheersSmile

Where did you find that info?Big grin

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Posted 10th Jan 2011 at 02:15
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servicebox.

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Posted 10th Jan 2011 at 02:17
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coskev

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welshpug! wrote:
servicebox.


Should have guessed really!LOL

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Posted 10th Jan 2011 at 03:09
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