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eddy_gti6

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Any one run these on the track? just cane accress them and thought they seemed abit cheap

Mitchelin S4B Race Slick Track Tyre

or would it be better going for some Toyo R888's

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 07:25
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Bear in mind Chris, if you've not got a cage fitted, on most Trackdays your not allowed to run complete slicks! Wink

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 12:49
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I've never heard anything contrary to running slicks, that's a myth imo. My mate's run slicks with no cage before.

S4B is a 2 year old compound, last years are S4C. Still worth it though, and they'll ALWAYS be cheaper than track day tyres - which are quite frankly a ripoff.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 16:16
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Its not a myth, if you read the terms and conditions when you get your info on the average track day you will see it says slicks should not be used on cars NOT fitted with adequate rollover protection, MSV i know for 1 specify this.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 19:44
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jeffers wrote:
Its not a myth, if you read the terms and conditions when you get your info on the average track day you will see it says slicks should not be used on cars NOT fitted with adequate rollover protection, MSV i know for 1 specify this.


+1 I have seen this in the T&C's of my trackday booking forms before, not in relation to cages mind it just said full slicks were not permitted period. Best to check with the individual organisers beforehand to avoid a expensive wasted trip.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 19:58
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you'll need a different suspension setup for them to work too (typically MUCH stiffer than any trackday car)

I htink the rollcage stipulation has come from the fact that Slicks often tend not to be as progressive on the edge, and coupled with soft road suspension has led to a few cars rolling on trackdays.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 20:05
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you'll need a different suspension setup for them to work too (typically MUCH stiffer than any trackday car)

I htink the rollcage stipulation has come from the fact that Slicks often tend not to be as progressive on the edge, and coupled with soft road suspension has led to a few cars rolling on trackdays.


Now you mention it, I saw a vid of a guy at a trackday in a Subaru Impreza rolling it. he just turned in hard while clipping a high kerb and the wight transfer plus the bump was enough to put him on his roof. I expect he said a few choice words right after that! LOL

A decent cage should be high on the priority list for anyone thinking of doing regular trackdays IMO.

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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 21:52
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I ran full slicks on my Rallye on track.....they were very impressive but did lose a little bit of the fun, in the end i ran full slicks on the front and R888 on the rearLOL



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Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 23:07
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quality top pic, nearly starting to look dangerous LOL

castle combe on normal trackdays don't allow slicks, or atleast they didnt used too?

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:28
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suppoesedly no slicks allowed period at combe, but none the less we was following a seat ex btcc car around on extremely wide slicks lol
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:57
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ive a feeling race cars could be allowed? ive seen some race cars at combe on trackdays with slicks before.
i know some of the series at combe are allowed slicks. (AAA saloons being one iirc)

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 02:02
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Some places are also weary of them because they tear the track up more, so probably depends on weather conditions as well.

I did one day with Javelin where they wouldn't allow slicks as it was just too hot and you'd end up with no tarmac left.

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 18:05
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I have ran full slicks at Oulton Park, Croft and Donnington, no issues and nothing was said to me, loads of grip more than a r888 Ninja

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 18:20
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Hmm cant decide weather to get some or not???

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Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 19:58
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do it!
or try and get some michellin N2. thats what i have.
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Posted 25th Dec 2010 at 05:42
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used a set of slicks at cadwell for the day without a blink of an eyelid from the stewards :-) there awesome on the pug,i dont run with a roll cage yet!

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Posted 25th Dec 2010 at 18:48
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At £60 ea., brand new, they are a bargain....

So much more grip than any road/track-day tyre.
Posted 28th Dec 2010 at 04:40
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Post #18
Once they loose grip is it difficult to get control of the slide or not?

My R888's feel like a really grippy road tyre in the sense that i can find the limit of grip, push a bit harder and slide then easily catch any minor oversteer or understeer.

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 01:26
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You will struggle to evenly heat up the tyres unless your suspension is setup to run slicks tbh.

Fronts, you will probably get away with, but the rears will take ages to warm up and have a large temp. differential across the tread.

Just ask Ash and Pete about slicks and getting heat into them!

Slicks will grip like buggery, but when they are cold then the grip will also fall off a cliff and you will be lucky to catch a cold let alone a big slide.

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 15:47
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jeffers wrote:
Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a cage Working engine fitted


Edited, unless ive missed something... LOL Razz

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:05
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oecken wrote:
jeffers wrote:
Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a cage Working engine fitted


Edited, unless ive missed something... LOL Razz



I can vouch that I've seen his car running Razz

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:18
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jeffers wrote:
Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a cage Working engine fitted


Edited, unless ive missed something... LOL Razz

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:26
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Snigger.

The general point is that it's not as easy as just putting slicks onto a standard car in order to make it a better track car, it's a bit like just bolting a turbo on without doing anything with the internals - it'll kinda work, but also not.

Sooner or later, some part of your car has to absorb the forces exerted on it by the physics of you cornering. If you run slicks the force that's normally absorbed by your tyres screeching about is now forced into your suspension, which will either be up to the job or not. If it's not, something will break. If it is, it'll pass the force onto the next thing it's attached to, your chassis. If that's caged and set up it'll take it, if it's not then it'll just flex and be horrible, etc etc.

Sooner or later some component on your car has to be able to take the forces, and putting slicks on an otherwise standard car will just mean you're going much faster with much more force into the corners, and something will inevitably go pop.

Personally I wouldn't run more than 888's without a proper set up cage and good strong chassis, and even then I'm not sure I'd bother. As Chris pointed out you'll have to really give it some to get them hot enough on cars as light as ours, so you might well just end up disappointed.

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:35
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daver6 wrote:
oecken wrote:
jeffers wrote:
Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a cage Working engine fitted


Edited, unless ive missed something... LOL Razz



I can vouch that I've seen his car running Razz


ive also seen his car running, his old black 6 and his 106 Shut up Razz

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Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:49
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The 106 wasn't exactly running well though.. Laugh

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