Mitchelin S4B Race Slick Track Tyre
or would it be better going for some Toyo R888's
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
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Any one run these on the track? just cane accress them and thought they seemed abit cheapMitchelin S4B Race Slick Track Tyre or would it be better going for some Toyo R888's ________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 07:25
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Bear in mind Chris, if you've not got a cage fitted, on most Trackdays your not allowed to run complete slicks! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 12:49
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tvrfan007
Seasoned Pro Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
Post #3
I've never heard anything contrary to running slicks, that's a myth imo. My mate's run slicks with no cage before.S4B is a 2 year old compound, last years are S4C. Still worth it though, and they'll ALWAYS be cheaper than track day tyres - which are quite frankly a ripoff. ________________________________________ I'm Si btwNight Blue VW Golf GTD Bianca LBSC Rallye - Track/Road Slag Project Thread Sparkling Silver Mini Cooper D - Super Dooper - (The other half's wheels) |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 16:16
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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Its not a myth, if you read the terms and conditions when you get your info on the average track day you will see it says slicks should not be used on cars NOT fitted with adequate rollover protection, MSV i know for 1 specify this.________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 19:44
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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jeffers wrote: Its not a myth, if you read the terms and conditions when you get your info on the average track day you will see it says slicks should not be used on cars NOT fitted with adequate rollover protection, MSV i know for 1 specify this. +1 I have seen this in the T&C's of my trackday booking forms before, not in relation to cages mind it just said full slicks were not permitted period. Best to check with the individual organisers beforehand to avoid a expensive wasted trip. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 19:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #6
you'll need a different suspension setup for them to work too (typically MUCH stiffer than any trackday car)I htink the rollcage stipulation has come from the fact that Slicks often tend not to be as progressive on the edge, and coupled with soft road suspension has led to a few cars rolling on trackdays. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 20:05
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: you'll need a different suspension setup for them to work too (typically MUCH stiffer than any trackday car) I htink the rollcage stipulation has come from the fact that Slicks often tend not to be as progressive on the edge, and coupled with soft road suspension has led to a few cars rolling on trackdays. Now you mention it, I saw a vid of a guy at a trackday in a Subaru Impreza rolling it. he just turned in hard while clipping a high kerb and the wight transfer plus the bump was enough to put him on his roof. I expect he said a few choice words right after that! A decent cage should be high on the priority list for anyone thinking of doing regular trackdays IMO. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 21:52
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scib4
Senior User Location: East Kilbride Registered: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 770 Status: Offline |
Post #8
I ran full slicks on my Rallye on track.....they were very impressive but did lose a little bit of the fun, in the end i ran full slicks on the front and R888 on the rear ________________________________________ Mike08 BMW 320d M-Sport touring (Superchipped Spec) 11 VW Transporter Kombi T5.1GP LWB (Bi-Turbo spec) Yeti DJ (Jump spec) Specialized SX Trail (DH spec) Specialized Pitch (XC spec) |
Posted 23rd Dec 2010 at 23:07
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #9
quality top pic, nearly starting to look dangerous castle combe on normal trackdays don't allow slicks, or atleast they didnt used too? ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:28
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #10
suppoesedly no slicks allowed period at combe, but none the less we was following a seat ex btcc car around on extremely wide slicks lol |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 01:57
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #11
ive a feeling race cars could be allowed? ive seen some race cars at combe on trackdays with slicks before.i know some of the series at combe are allowed slicks. (AAA saloons being one iirc) ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 02:02
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Some places are also weary of them because they tear the track up more, so probably depends on weather conditions as well. I did one day with Javelin where they wouldn't allow slicks as it was just too hot and you'd end up with no tarmac left. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 18:05
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I have ran full slicks at Oulton Park, Croft and Donnington, no issues and nothing was said to me, loads of grip more than a r888 ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 18:20
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #14
cant decide weather to get some or not???________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 24th Dec 2010 at 19:58
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #15
do it! or try and get some michellin N2. thats what i have. even have a mooch for some second hand colways |
Posted 25th Dec 2010 at 05:42
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astragsi237
Regular Location: Chatham Registered: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 414 Status: Offline |
Post #16
used a set of slicks at cadwell for the day without a blink of an eyelid from the stewards :-) there awesome on the pug,i dont run with a roll cage yet!________________________________________ Phase 1 bianca white GTi-6:SOLDPhase 2 blaze yellow d-turbo:Off to scrap heaven Phase 2.5 platinum silver GTi-6:Just purchased :-D |
Posted 25th Dec 2010 at 18:48
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kev-g
Junior User Location: Fife Registered: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 88 Status: Offline |
Post #17
At £60 ea., brand new, they are a bargain....So much more grip than any road/track-day tyre. |
Posted 28th Dec 2010 at 04:40
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Once they loose grip is it difficult to get control of the slide or not?My R888's feel like a really grippy road tyre in the sense that i can find the limit of grip, push a bit harder and slide then easily catch any minor oversteer or understeer. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 01:26
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #19
You will struggle to evenly heat up the tyres unless your suspension is setup to run slicks tbh.Fronts, you will probably get away with, but the rears will take ages to warm up and have a large temp. differential across the tread. Just ask Ash and Pete about slicks and getting heat into them! Slicks will grip like buggery, but when they are cold then the grip will also fall off a cliff and you will be lucky to catch a cold let alone a big slide. ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 15:47
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oecken
Seasoned Pro Location: Mt Cook, New Zealand Registered: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 4,751 Status: Offline |
Post #20
jeffers wrote: Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a Edited, unless ive missed something... ________________________________________ Ex-Black 6 - Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you. |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:05
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #21
oecken wrote: jeffers wrote: Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a Edited, unless ive missed something... I can vouch that I've seen his car running ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:18
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #22
oecken wrote: jeffers wrote: Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a Edited, unless ive missed something... No comment! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:26
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Snigger. The general point is that it's not as easy as just putting slicks onto a standard car in order to make it a better track car, it's a bit like just bolting a turbo on without doing anything with the internals - it'll kinda work, but also not. Sooner or later, some part of your car has to absorb the forces exerted on it by the physics of you cornering. If you run slicks the force that's normally absorbed by your tyres screeching about is now forced into your suspension, which will either be up to the job or not. If it's not, something will break. If it is, it'll pass the force onto the next thing it's attached to, your chassis. If that's caged and set up it'll take it, if it's not then it'll just flex and be horrible, etc etc. Sooner or later some component on your car has to be able to take the forces, and putting slicks on an otherwise standard car will just mean you're going much faster with much more force into the corners, and something will inevitably go pop. Personally I wouldn't run more than 888's without a proper set up cage and good strong chassis, and even then I'm not sure I'd bother. As Chris pointed out you'll have to really give it some to get them hot enough on cars as light as ours, so you might well just end up disappointed. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:35
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oecken
Seasoned Pro Location: Mt Cook, New Zealand Registered: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 4,751 Status: Offline |
Post #24
daver6 wrote: oecken wrote: jeffers wrote: Bear in mind Chris, you've not got a Edited, unless ive missed something... I can vouch that I've seen his car running ive also seen his car running, his old black 6 and his 106 ________________________________________ Ex-Black 6 - Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you. |
Posted 29th Dec 2010 at 16:49
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #25
The 106 wasn't exactly running well though.. ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
Posted 30th Dec 2010 at 03:18
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