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Would a xu10 be safe at 300-350bhp with a dp engineering decomp kit and standard internals?Of course will have management and fueling sorted
cheers
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 zxturbo400
Regular  Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Of course will have management and fueling sorted cheers |
 Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 06:27
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mabgti
NV motors  Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #2
simple terms ..the rods wont handle the stress of boost! max at280bhp with decomp plate! ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 06:46
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #3
cheers, ive seen theres a 328bhp zx dp engineering built which is a standard xu10? and some bloke on here from brazil made 443 atws on a standard bottom end too?Ive sent a email to dp now to see what they will come back with  cheers,cal |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 07:51
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
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If you can afford an new engine if it goes tits up go for it.It will be interesting to see. I want it to work personally. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 08:24
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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How would it have standard internals on the bottom end if the compression ration was 8.3:1 as the thread title suggests??Standard compression ratio on these is 10.8:1  Stan. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 12:29
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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If it's any help, I run forged internals in an XU10J4RS which is running a compression ratio of 8:1 and currently producing 454bhp, so it can be done. Stan. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 12:34
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
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Theres a guy over on 205 gti drivers with an *standard* S16 bottom end,decomp plate and a GT30 turbo running 446bhp!  |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 13:29
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro  Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
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roland rat wrote: Theres a guy over on 205 gti drivers with an *standard* S16 bottom end,decomp plate and a GT30 turbo running 446bhp! How long has that been going? ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged  [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 14:30
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans! Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
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cjm_harris wrote: roland rat wrote: Theres a guy over on 205 gti drivers with an *standard* S16 bottom end,decomp plate and a GT30 turbo running 446bhp! How long has that been going? Over 5k |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 16:05
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #10
is that the blue 205 pal? that was built in 2008,using dp parts.only thing that im not too sure on management , ive been looking at omex 600, Id run a dp decomp kit to 8:3:1,welders nightmare manifold and gt28rs at 20 psi, external wastegate, ive got 2 zx volcane td boxes here which i could try but i may aswell use the 6 gearbox and flywheel and linkages from the gti6 ( which il buy the whole car, use the parts i need like fuel tank etc then sell the rest on here) with out pistons and rods, bearings etc il b e saving at least £2k 300-350bhp 5 door zx volcane would be an alright sleeper |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 18:08
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans! Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
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Yes its the blue one mate |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 18:27
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: How would it have standard internals on the bottom end if the compression ration was 8.3:1 as the thread title suggests?? Standard compression ratio on these is 10.8:1 Stan. Decompression plate. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 21st Dec 2010 at 20:50
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Right guys spoke to peiter at dp earlier and he gave me a list of what id need from them, turbo kit excluding the gt2871rs as i can get one cheaper elsewhere, i also spoke to a helpful lad at pug1off about the loom and emerald ecu id need, injectors and fpr from a 2002+ quickslver.Cost ive added up including the gti6 for parts is £4800. Thats for 300-350 bhp with a comp ratio of 8:3:1 or 8:8:1, i was also told not to use the 6 speed box as its weak, so im going to sell that on and try something else, i have a couple of 306 and zx diesel boxes i might try but ratios might be shite. List of what il need so far is (gti6 donor car for Engine driveshafts ( i have spares though) flywheel inlet mani and loom front brakes fuel tank as the zx will be diesel fuel lines and many other little bits but the rest will be sold on Other parts: Dp welders nightmare kit 38mm external wastegate with screamer GT2871RS Dp decomp kit to 8:3:1 ported head with 0.10 skim paddle clutch siemens injectors 600cc indeally walbro 255 pump 3.5 bar fpr 2.5-3 bar map sensor emerald ecu with custom loom, launch control and 7600rpm limit large fmic with 2.5" boost pipes 3" turbo back exhaust with no boxes new cambelt and water pump magnecour kv8.5 leads iridium plugs and many other wee bits and bobs Tonmorow im going to ring up a few more people for advice on what boost to run and what turbo/gearbox to have which would suit. Id keep the xu10 in the gti6 but at 19 my insurance is only £1100 fc on a volcane, plus ive had a few zx's and 306 dturbos before and prefer the ugly quirckyness of the zx cheers! |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 00:41
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brownboy
Seasoned Pro Location: congleton Registered: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,371 Status: Offline |
Post #14
will the zx not be the same insurance as the gti6 as it will have the engine and a big f*ck off turbo or will you not declare that |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 00:59
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #15
No comment |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 01:04
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brownboy
Seasoned Pro Location: congleton Registered: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,371 Status: Offline |
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zxturbo400 wrote: No comment So what do you do when you stack it into someone in your rusty old zx shitbox seriously hurting them and your insurance is invalid |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 01:06
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
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so? run away and cry?nah, obviosuly dont drive a rust old shitbox? and why do i have to bin it? why cant they crash into me?Theres also thousands of people that think zx volcanes are cool comfy handling cars, were the best small family car ( same as the 306) till the focus came out |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 01:13
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brownboy
Seasoned Pro Location: congleton Registered: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,371 Status: Offline |
Post #18
I hope someone does crash in to you and writes it off and then takes you to court for being on the road with invalid insurance its c*nts like you who are pushing up the prices if you cant afford to declare the mods then simple dont mod it |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 01:19
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
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thanks pal |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 01:29
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro  Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #20
GTI6 box will take 300 bhp and 300 ft/lbs, well mine is and is still fine, but get some insurance mate.________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 03:15
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
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or a shot peened one will handle a bit more...brazilians are using methanol ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 03:29
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #22
yea of course il be insured, £1100 fc on my own 2 years ncb, can you imagine if i said yea it has a 2.0 16v turbo engine producing 300 odd bhp? would go from group 10 to 20 pmsl,however... there still is a way i can insure it with mods! Hmmm ideas! |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 03:29
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zxturbo400
Regular Location: rugeley Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #23
methanol? isnt that was americans use for big block v8s with over 800+?whats the difference from say ron 99 |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 03:30
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
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zxturbo400 wrote: yea of course il be insured, £1100 fc on my own 2 years ncb, can you imagine if i said yea it has a 2.0 16v turbo engine producing 300 odd bhp? would go from group 10 to 20 pmsl,however... there still is a way i can insure it with mods! Hmmm ideas!  That is all. ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 04:31
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Bit luck of the draw really, you maybe lucky you may not as with any engine unless you start x-raying components you never know how good they are, I;ve blown up std 1.9 205's (Very similar XU Engine) and others with 250bhp are fine.Having used a few ECU's now I'm converting back to Omex for simple mapping and better mapping points, Emerald's + is you can get it to run the 4 coil packs at the std cost compared to the Omex you need the 710 which yes costs a little more but you'll get this back on mapping costs unless you goto Emerald Direct. Nice sleeper anyway, Be even better in a AX or deadly. ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 22nd Dec 2010 at 05:01
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