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Author Subject: A Different Coolant Bleeding Method
chas

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I know this was performed on a DTurbo but considering the layouts are similar I thought that I could share my experiences here.

With a very crispy 5 year old radiator in my DTurbo (the gauge staying at 90 most of the time gave this game away a little) a new radiator was required fast. A new Nissens rad later + some coolant (Unipart Super OAT (red coolant)) and I was ready to tackle the job.

It is a good job the guides on here were useful as they were quite informative and helpful in places. But back on topic.

Instead of using the header tank method as I did on my GTi-6 when I drained the coolant on that, I decided to make myself a makeshift pressure bleeder, which I originally made from my Porsche days in order to bleed the 944 as detailed here:

http://www.clarks-garage.com/pdf-manual/cool-02.pdf

I made my crude pressure bleeder from a cut bike inner tube, some tape and vucalnising solution (to seal one end of the cut inner tube off), with the other end stretched over the header tank filler (with the overflow hose pinched to close it off).

I initially topped the coolant up and beyond the max. When I began the vent the system, a few air bubbles came out of the rad bleed screw, almost none from the screw near the thermostat. The Heater matrix bleed screw had alot of hissing and a bit of mist coming out of it longer than any of the other venting points but eventually a steady stream of water did emerge.

So far (touches wood!) it seems to have worked quite well. I have driven the car around 100 miles since the rad was fitted. Besides the car rarely hitting 90 degrees now (I think when I was in town for 30 mins doing some drop offs/leaving the car running, the cooling fan cut in twice if that (alot less than before), and on motorways it sits just above 80ish degrees centigrade. Maybe I'm being a bit hasty but I'd consider it bled (unless you guys think otherwise!). I have removed the cap once or twice to check the level. Bar once when I ran it up to temp where the level dropped slightly (the first time where I ran the car up to temp to check for leaks etc.), it seems to be fine now Smile

I thought I would share this info as I know the makeshift header tank method (which I also used on an Espace 2.0) can be a rather messy if not dangerous (I.e red hot coolant as you warm the car up in order to bleed it).

Whether it has been effective on the car time will tell I guess.

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 02:45
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Hmm, sounds a bit unnecessary to be honest.

Firstly you can bleed the system perfectly with the engine off using the header tank method. If you fill above all the bleed points then it will gravity bleed.

Secondly, you can make a very nice pressure bleeding kit with the overflow pipe and your lungs Yes

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 06:37
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That's my normal way of doing it LOL

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 06:53
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True, although if the pipe's had coolant in it (which it probably has) it's probably not too clever to put your mouth on it.

Also as I said, I haven't come across a tidy/non messy method of bleeding it via the header tank no matter what old coolant bottles you use or how much gaffer tape you put on.

Although I guess a substitute pipe could be used to bleed it through with pressure Smile.

I used the makeshift method as it's what I had lying about from my Porsche days (on the 944, you can blow through the header tank, aka 'Mouth to Mouth' method but with the risks of coolant entering your system it's not been talked about too much LOL.

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Posted 15th Oct 2010 at 01:30
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Well after my heater matrix change, i was all out of coolant, so set about refilling the system.

Maybe ive done this wrong but the system seems to work ok?


WITH ENGINE OFF

Cut a old 2L drinks bottle in half

wrap insulation tape around the neck and wedge it into the top of the rad

open all bleed points up

fill your makshift tank to the brim with coolant/water.. and let gravity take over

Keep filling until it comes out from the rad bleed point, once done close it up

It then should appear at the thermostat bleed point... same again close it up

and lastly at the heater matrix point... and yep you guessed it.... close it up LOL

start the car up then and run until warm, then open up the bleed points one by one starting with the radiator, then thermostat, then matrix point, once the water appears close them off and refit the radiator cap.

I left my car running for around 10-15 mins and it struggled to reach 90, it sat very comfortably between 70-80

I dont understand the need for the pressure bleeding kit? (without sounding like criticism)

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Posted 18th Oct 2010 at 01:24
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Whenever I (or friends) have tried to make a makeshift header tank, they always make a massive mess and almost end up with us nearly scalding our hands with water that is at 80ish degrees centigrade!

Maybe you guys are better at it than us, but we've never managed to get the header tanks to seal right.

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Posted 19th Oct 2010 at 03:41
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It's really not hard, just wrap the bottle neck in a couple of layers of tape and jam it in the top of the rad...

Vernam i'm the same, pretty sure the last time i did a flush the coolant wasn't concentrated enough (about 4:1 water:coolant) and the temperature used to vary wildly, now it sits quite happily at 90 or so even in traffic. Yet to see how it handles a spirited drive though..

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Posted 19th Oct 2010 at 04:22
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i bleed my coolant using the overflow-blow method. takes about a tenth of the time it takes to even think about another way of bleeding it

i can do it the other way but it's just time consuming

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Posted 19th Oct 2010 at 04:55
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Chas im really confused on how you can make a mess and potentially scald yourself with brand new coolant that hasnt yet circulated, i attempted this for the first time the other day and never come across a problem

Get rid of old COLD coolant
Cut 2L bottle in half
wrap around 3-4 insulation tape around the neck of the 2L bottle and wedge it into the rad cap area, open all bleed poiints and start filling the makeshift tank, when water starts appearing from each one, close it off then remove the makeshift tank and start it up, let it run until warm and open bleed points one by one starting at the rad, when the hot/warm water surfaces, close it off and do the rest, refit the cap and jobs a goodun


Interested in your method rikky? quick step by step

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Posted 19th Oct 2010 at 21:38
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I did it via the Haynes method. I.E the header tank is still on when the car is running and on until the cooling fans kick in... Only once the car has cooled down do you remove it. I guess they say this so as to get the airlocks out with the thermostat open.

On the Derv I decided that was not for me LOL.

Rikky's pressure method will be the same as what I said (or the 'header tank' with regards to filling it and going through the bleed screws one by one) but you blank off where the cap goes (hand will do the trick if you are careful), and you blow through the overflow pipe until a steady stream of water emerges from the bleed screws.

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Posted 20th Oct 2010 at 01:05
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Would it be wrong to suggest putting the cap back on, opening a bleed screw and putting the air line in the overflow pipe?

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Posted 20th Oct 2010 at 01:11
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Just blow into the overflow pipe...

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Posted 20th Oct 2010 at 02:45

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