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phillipm

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Post #26
welshpug! wrote:
yeah, that was my thoughts given than a megasquirt can be as little as £250 odd, granted these are more tailored.

dunno if you can see this without being a member, but Martin Fox is doing S40's for 106 rallyes with an adapter loom to make them PnP.

http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/showthread.php?t=74020&highlight=mef

It replaces the same 1AP ecu as the gti6 so its pinout would be very close if not identical, though it only runs a wasted spark coilpack originally, so would still require a coilpack swap and minor wiring alteration.


just needs two pins adding in iirc

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trouble is S40 doesn't do Sequential spark, you'd need S60 for that.

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have to have a look at the s40 software but you can bridge the outputs on the bigger models to run wasted on a sequential loom.

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Hmm

that would be a fair saving if it could.

that's like the old E48i ignition only ecu's being a single cut pin and a free firmware update, and £200 odd on the price LOL

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well, your not really gaining anything, just makes it easier to adapt the loom without cutting into it.

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Doh i misunderstood what you mean there LOL

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Post #32
your right bout the s40's... but it still can be done..

megasquirt aint too bad... but if you want simple plug and play then get a VEMS unit..

standalone is all to do with what you plan to do in future... no point spending £600 on an ecu when your just running cams and ITB..

1AP is a work of art as i found out today.. its a clever piece of kit that only few know how to work with... wayne being the main man!

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do you mean S40 can run sequential spark + injection?


how much further along are you mab to offering 1ap mapping?

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Hmm fully assembled VEMS are 450Euros, not bad. Do they do off the shelf looms or will I need to make my own?

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they do PnP dont they?


edit, 827 euros for a PnP version with an RS base map.

+ vat + postage Shock

http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/electronics/standalone/vems_pnp/vemspnp_rfs.php

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vems do a pnp one... dp engineering are main ...

yep.. dta s40 can run sequential as the 6 uses twin ignition modules..

1ap is something i wont be doing after a long chat with wayne today... he will be doing all mine and anyones i recommend..

and emulator is needed to live map... i can edit eeproms easily and change rpm limits and stuff but i dont wanna be wasting 4 or 5 chips everytime!

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S40 ftw? Hmm

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:headachesmiley

Wayne ftw LOL

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:bigwadgeofscottishcashinmyhandsmiley Hmm (just sold my 309)

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mabgti wrote:

1AP is a work of art as i found out today...!


You'll never beat OEM ECU systems for functionality, no matter how much $$$'s you drop on a standalone No
The ecu with the rotary we put in to start with had more tables and algorithms just to control the throttle enrichment than our S80 now has for spark/fuel/transients/warm up/launch control/etc LOL

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indeed, 306 Maxi's ran Magnetti motorsport ecu's, just a shame they were locked to the engine builders.

206 WRC ran a Beru system, it looked so miminalist its unbelievable it could control a WRC engine with such a vastly different looking loom to a standard car one Shock

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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 04:20
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id go with vems, im sure SOS will do a good deal as i think thats what few boys run with the 8v turbos.

tbh i know you want bodies, but spend £500 quid on an 8v turbo set up an you will have 190-210 bhp, thats what i would do, i wish i had done that instaed of going low boost, be diffrent once ive had a remap an running 400bhp!

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id never part my low boost for any other inferior conversionLOL

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not even for superior induction sound? Hmm

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what a sound that you cant mute without killing 20 horses at track days...

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chrisd306 wrote:
id go with vems, im sure SOS will do a good deal as i think thats what few boys run with the 8v turbos.

tbh i know you want bodies, but spend £500 quid on an 8v turbo set up an you will have 190-210 bhp, thats what i would do, i wish i had done that instaed of going low boost, be diffrent once ive had a remap an running 400bhp!


Rather use this engine, i know it's in decent nick. Nothing saying I can't get a good condition 8v turbo engine, just could cause more hassle than I can be bothered with.

The only expensive thing here is going to be getting the management sorted. If I can find a decently priced KMS or similar i'd be looking at about £500 all in to map with davie, if i go the Wayne-1AP route i'm looking at similar when I include travelling costs. Either option would work fine, just a case of what's right at the time.

Also with SOS being much closer, if anything does go wrong it'll be easier to arrange any fixes. Oh and I don't know how the car will be to run 200 miles to Wayne with the new cams/bodies, if i get stuck in M6 traffice i'm going to have a hard time keeping the idle.

I dunno, choices choices.

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leave at 3am, average 50 mph Thumbs up

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 00:05
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Post #48
Depends if it's going to be safe to run that kind of distance will all new cams and induction setup?

My maths is fine though thanks Mei, everyone can see that would work out 600 miles. Div.














it's not really 600 miles, it's 500

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3am + 50mph = 7am arrival = no traffic Razz

to a certain extent you can work out how lean/rich its running from checking the Voltage at the lambda sensor.

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 00:11
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mabgti wrote:
what a sound that you cant mute without killing 20 horses at track days...


Huh?

Dunno

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Posted 14th Oct 2010 at 00:12
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