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honestly3k

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I will be using the search button but does anyone know of a good coilover kit for about £200-£300 for a gti-6?

Will probably be lowering around 30-40mm but want to improve the handling and it to have a nice ride (i.e not harsh like the current setup)...

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:07
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IMO forget coilovers and just get some decent shocks if your car is used mainly on the road.

Many will disagree BUT coilovers are a bit of a waste of money for the road.

What I'm getting at is if you look at the advantages of coilovers, over a a decent set of springs and shocks, is basically you can adjust the ride height. I ask you this - once the ride height is set, how many actually touch it again?? I would say very few. And for that reason I say they're a bit of a waste of moneySmile

All just my opinion. Saying the above if you plan on going on track AND mess about with ride heights etc then fill your boots - cvoilovers are the way to goSmile

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:13
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I just dont know what to do really. Basically the rear is standard but at the front looks as if previous owner has got lowering springs on standard struts. And its so low there is almost no gaps between the parts of the springs.

Its hard to describe the ride but very unpleasant would be a good start. It feel everything and magnifys the effect. It bangs like a rabbit.

So im not sure wether to source some standard springs for the front OR to just get something else in the pipeline as i will most likely what to lower it at some point in the future anyway.

Problem is i know nothing about suspension, brands or what parts i need.

I really want to improve handling, and i dont like stupidly low, but i want it to be a comfortable ride also....any ideas?

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:20
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You may be surprised how cheap standard springs are from pugWink

Although I've never driven one that's on standard suspension (mines got Eibachs (-30mm) on the front and is lowered to suit at the rear), I'm led to believe they're pretty good with standard suspensionSmile Perhaps that would be the way to go for you??

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:25
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Like I said mate my friend in Aylesbury will be lowering his very soon and will have standard springs/shocks for sale. If your moonstone is on standard shocks then you will just need to replace the springs.

Just keep it standard, it was set up that way for a reason. I was parked next to a poor man's 306 today LOL the difference in height compared to my standard gti 6 is supprising. They are already 30/40mm lower than other 306 models. Just get 55 profile tyres and they fill the arches enough.

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:30
honestly3k

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Yeah a few people telling me to just go back to standard first.

But have the brother telling me to just bite the bullet and sort the suspension now as i would probably want to sort it in the future to improve handling and stance... LOL

Is there anything out there that would be considered a good buy and will satisfy what i want from them?

Have been offered some free standard springs by a guy off here so i guess i would be a fool to say no!

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:30
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Other than standard Eibach or Bilstein are good. Do a search mate, so many pages of info.

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Posted 20th Aug 2010 at 04:35
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get some coilovers on her , ive had mine fitted for 2 weeks and changed the height 3 times already LOL

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Posted 21st Aug 2010 at 19:34
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Problem i seem to hear about them is that to get a decent pair that wont knacker out after 2 years you have to spend £500+ really.

And i dont have that kinda cash atm!

Think i will go back to standard for now. Though it would look much better lowered 30-40mm.
Gotta live to my means i guess! LOL

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Posted 21st Aug 2010 at 21:20
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SteviePut wrote:
IMO forget coilovers and just get some decent shocks if your car is used mainly on the road.

Many will disagree BUT coilovers are a bit of a waste of money for the road.

What I'm getting at is if you look at the advantages of coilovers, over a a decent set of springs and shocks, is basically you can adjust the ride height. I ask you this - once the ride height is set, how many actually touch it again?? I would say very few. And for that reason I say they're a bit of a waste of moneySmile

All just my opinion. Saying the above if you plan on going on track AND mess about with ride heights etc then fill your boots - cvoilovers are the way to goSmile


I agree with that man... who complained of chronic back pain in ma car... which is slightly softer now! but coilovers are overkill for daily drivingYes

Give me a set of eibachs on bilstein shocks anyday!

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Posted 21st Aug 2010 at 22:48
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For your price range you can completly forget coilovers.
If you managed to find a set for less then £300 I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole as they will be total crap.

As said, decent coily sets are £600+ these days, plus fitting and new topmounts etc.

Agree with Stevie and Mab they are overkill for most normal road driving.

My car is hideously uncomfortable to drive around your general, shitty condition roads, to the point I dont really want to drive the thing anymore.
You feel every tiny little bump and dip and the ride is solid.
However, that is not the point of my car and on track I love how it handles. If you intend on turning your car into a track car, then go ahead with coilys, but you need to budget about £800 for a decent set with a known rep. (on this forum atleast)

If you just generally want to overhaul the suspension and make it a touch more stiff / sporty whilst lowering at the same time then go for the Bilstein B8's with Eibach -30mm springs.
You should manage to find that setup for ~£300 if you look hard enough.

If you want to go std, then get pug dampers, and not the Bilstein OE equivelents as they are supposedly not as good (so I have heard).

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Posted 21st Aug 2010 at 23:38
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Have to agree, Also coilovers are high maintenance or the colour rust up on most,
You'd have a job to get good std dampers on that budget, Bilsteins are over £500.00 a set.

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 00:38
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farmer wrote:
For your price range you can completly forget coilovers.
If you managed to find a set for less then £300 I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole as they will be total crap.

As said, decent coily sets are £600+ these days, plus fitting and new topmounts etc.

Agree with Stevie and Mab they are overkill for most normal road driving.

My car is hideously uncomfortable to drive around your general, shitty condition roads, to the point I dont really want to drive the thing anymore.
You feel every tiny little bump and dip and the ride is solid.
However, that is not the point of my car and on track I love how it handles. If you intend on turning your car into a track car, then go ahead with coilys, but you need to budget about £800 for a decent set with a known rep. (on this forum atleast)

If you just generally want to overhaul the suspension and make it a touch more stiff / sporty whilst lowering at the same time then go for the Bilstein B8's with Eibach -30mm springs.
You should manage to find that setup for ~£300 if you look hard enough.

If you want to go std, then get pug dampers, and not the Bilstein OE equivelents as they are supposedly not as good (so I have heard).


Superb post and very helpful, cheers. Know what your saying about not wanting to drive it, the front on mine has that effect on me. There may aswell be no springs they are so tightly wound.

So Bilstein b8 struts ALL round? with 30mm lowering springs? How will that ride and handle on the roads? Im not looking for a track car atall. Just a comfortable lowered road car with hopefully improved handling.

Dont suppose anyone has any pics of that setup ????

Sadly, for the moment i most likely cant fork out that £300 but i need to change the ride, now, its that bad. So going to go to pug and see how much original front struts and springs are new...supposedly they arent too dear and put those on for the time being i think.

Are there some good lowered springs i can put with standard pug struts all round that might have the effect im looking for?

Thanks again Big grin

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:28
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iirc £300 will get you a pair of o.e front dampers, £75 will get you the rear ones

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:37
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Please forgive me for asking this but, are 'shocks', 'struts', 'dampers' all the same thing? I.e the greased up fork that goes with springs?

Bloody hell so pug front shocks alone are £300?!

Im getting more confused by the minute! LOL

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:41
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For £300 you would be better off getting Eibach springs for the front, Bilstein B4 dampers from Eurocarparts for the front and genuine pug rear dampers (or Citroen Volcane BNE 1932 IIRC rears -again from Eurocarparts) for the rears, this would be a good set up for the road and marginally stiffer, add a hybird ARB at a later stage and you have an even better set up Smile

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:41
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For £300 you would be better off getting Eibach springs for the front, Bilstein B4 dampers from Eurocarparts for the front and genuine pug rear dampers (or Citroen Volcane BNE 1932 IIRC rears -again from Eurocarparts) for the rears, this would be a good set up for the road and marginally stiffer, add a hybird ARB at a later stage and you have an even better set up Smile


What springs for the rears? Have standard dampers i think all round atm. Just front needs better springs and would like to keep the rear in line with the front.

Unsure

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:49
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honestly3k wrote:
davedgti6 wrote:
For £300 you would be better off getting Eibach springs for the front, Bilstein B4 dampers from Eurocarparts for the front and genuine pug rear dampers (or Citroen Volcane BNE 1932 IIRC rears -again from Eurocarparts) for the rears, this would be a good set up for the road and marginally stiffer, add a hybird ARB at a later stage and you have an even better set up Smile




What springs for the rears? Have standard dampers i think all round atm. Just front needs better springs and would like to keep the rear in line with the front.

Unsure


there is no springs on the rear, torsion bars only

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:54
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Forgive me, im hopeless! LOL

So how would one go about lowering the back say 30mm? Ive read 30-40mm is optimum range for ride/stance/handling?

Im on eurocarparts now, found some bilsteins, doesnt say b4 or anything....could you provide some links by any chance? much appreciated!

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 01:58
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Rear Dampers

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Citroen_ZX_2.0_1996/p/Car-Parts/Suspension-and-Steering/Suspension/Shock-Absorbers

Front Dampers (dont use the rear dampers on this link)

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1999/p/Car-Parts/Suspension-and-Steering/Suspension/Shock-Absorbers

Think these are correct, sure someone else will confirm, genuine pug rear dampers are not expensive either

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 02:05
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Well, i got the front dampers page right. LOL

Seen a post about lowering torsion bar in FAQ section, presumably the only way to lower the rear?

Think im going to just give up for now and try to do some more reading. I just seem to come up with more and more questions! Happy

Thanks for your help.

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 02:13
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Yes it is, But if your unlucky which allot of beams are now it will need allot of new parts, So expect a bill of £200 ish before you start

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 03:50
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Sounds a bit crap!

Why did pug do this as opposed to struts/springs on the rear also?

Alot easier to adjust your suspension setup and height i would think.

Grrrr, seems to be an expensive job to get the car how i want it. Wink

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 04:13
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Ok, i think ive learned a little bit now! LOL

So, in lowering my car on the front i need new dampers AND springs. Would 30mm or 40mm be best?

And lowering the car at the rear its a case of lowering the torsion bar by 30mm or 40mm to suit the front? Why do i need new dampers for the back? Just to go in sync with the front?

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Posted 22nd Aug 2010 at 04:30
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I think it's a cost of manufacturing thing, with torsion bars the whole rear frame can be assembled separately then just bolted onto any flat surface without that much reliance on the shape of the car. They used a similar setup on many Peugeot and Citroen cars, so perhaps it's for portability between the models.

As for the rear dampers you don't *technically* need rear dampers, I changed my fronts for coilovers a couple of months before I got around to doing the rear but you really do notice the difference when you go over speed bumps and the like - the front is nice and solidly damped, the rear end tends to bounce more.

Take a look at the FAQs to see the torsion bar technique, as it's a frickin ballache and as mentioned, will cost you a bit in spares if you want to do it properly.

Hope that helps a little Smile

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