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lwgti-6

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Evening guys,

I've fitted some coilovers this weekend and after putting the car back together again i've noticed that there is hardly any gap between the height adjuster and the tyre.

Now, the kit is a KW V1 made for the 306 GTI-6, I've also replaced the Wishbones, hubs, ball joints, drop links, wheel hearings, hub carriers, top mounts & bearings.

Am i missing someting here? The car went back together a doddle

PLEASE NOTE, the car is still on axel stands, i daren't put it on the ground yet.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:30
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Huh? thats indeed a nice tight fit. how low are they at the moment

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:35
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lwgti-6

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I just cant understand what the problem is. Wheels go on fine etc...

I wouldn't of thought i'd of needed spacers?...Says nothing on their site or in the fitting manual.

Baffled.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:36
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what tyres? just normal size for cyclones?

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:38
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you have got the right ball joint havent you? LOL lotek had xsara balljoints when he fitted his coilovers and they were very close with positive camber

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:38
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rikky wrote:
what tyres? just normal size for cyclones?


Yes mate, 195/55/R15, P6000's Huh?

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:38
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hovis16 wrote:
you have got the right ball joint havent you? LOL lotek had xsara balljoints when he fitted his coilovers and they were very close with positive camber


16mm from ECP.

I will compare to the old one tomorrow.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:41
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If you got the ball joints from ECP then they are almost certainly the wrong ones. LOL

The length of the arm varies along with the pin diameter.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:44
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you've got them too low, you need to wind them up so the spring pan is above the tyre like the standard springs.

if that ride height isn't to your taste, tough Razz


LOL no you just need shorter springs if you do want it silly low Thumbs up

Length of the arm will not affect the clearance of the damper body to the tyre.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:45
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it's normal on kw's

you have to check and apply spacers (3mm or so) if needed

got the same issue here (7*17" et15 with 205/40/17)


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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:47
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But regardless if the ball joints were indeed wrong, that wouldn't change the distance between the coilover and the inside tyre wall tho would it?

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:49
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Thanks mate!..

Faking hell!...I really dont want spacers!....

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:52
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it would from the top of wheel,but you would notice with the car in the air. so as long as it doesnt have positive cam your fine

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 04:54
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3mm spacer is enough for cyclones

and 3mm leaves enough hub for the rim to rest on so perfectly safe Smile

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you don't need spacers, you need shorter springs.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:00
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lwgti-6

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Yeah, if i adjust the adjuster up, then it clears them obviously, but that means that the car will be sitting high on the front and low on the rear..

Anyone know where i can get some longer wheel nuts from?

Also will it make much of a difference if i have spacers on the front and not the back?

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:02
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Denis

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Looking at the pictures – you have 3mm of clearance, which is fine. I run my ones with similar clearance. If you are worried about it and put 3mm spacer - you want notice any difference in handing.

With my current suspension, I have to run 15mm spacers on the front to clear springs.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:12
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russian guy wrote:
Looking at the pictures – you have 3mm of clearance, which is fine. I run my ones with similar clearance. If you are worried about it and put 3mm spacer - you want notice any difference in handing.

With my current suspension, I have to run 15mm spacers on the front to clear springs.


Will i be allright using a 3mm spacer with the standard wheel nuts? Huh?

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:14
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welshpug! wrote:
you don't need spacers, you need shorter springs.



yeah, you guys are lucky...

as said before, we can't swap springs around here Roll eyes Dry

(even spacers aren't allowed lol, but easier to remove)LOL

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:21
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lwgti-6 wrote:
Will i be allright using a 3mm spacer with the standard wheel nuts? Huh?


I would not.

Just drive it a bit as is – if there is rubbing than look at sorting it.

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:22
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lwgti-6 wrote:

Will i be allright using a 3mm spacer with the standard wheel nuts? Huh?


yes, thats what I do Wink

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 05:22
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My ASTs are just as close, in fact they were quite a lot closer on the BTCC wheels with 195/50s. Mine are a bit low though at the moment

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Posted 26th Jul 2010 at 15:29
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