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what diesel crank do i need to do a 2.1 6 engine?
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 309btcc
**DODGY SELLER**  Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:53
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
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1.9or a 1.9 petrol. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 01:01
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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what do i need too do too make it all fit with out any issues??? |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 01:05
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matty_rallye
Senior User  Location: Devizes Registered: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 966 Status: Offline |
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87mm bore, pistons to suit. Custom rods / pistons to lose some height of the stroke due to the 2mm increase of crank stroke.________________________________________ 2.1 16v 306 Rallye. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 02:48
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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matty_rallye wrote: 87mm bore, pistons to suit. Custom rods / pistons to lose some height of the stroke due to the 2mm increase of crank stroke. Looks like you won't be buying my pistons after all Chris   ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 02:55
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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not shure yet guna do sum more research |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 03:00
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rallyeash
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 Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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the s16 pistons and rods can be fitted i believe but your still limited on cam choice on standard pistons________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 15:08
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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There is an increase in compression with an increase in stroke isn't there?About how much? ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 17:46
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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karoshi wrote: There is an increase in compression with an increase in stroke isn't there? About how much? It would depend how you build the engine and where the pistons sit in relation to the deck of the block. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 23:13
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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cont knw what too do know as 2litre is a good engine anyway..... |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 00:33
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rallyeash
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Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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what are you planning on using the car for? track work?________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 00:38
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #12
more track and weekend car for fun. was toying with a mi16 build due to it being 20kg lighter |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 00:43
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jarrus464
Junior User Location: Great Wyrley, Walsall Registered: 14 May 2007 Posts: 92 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Could be good, but lighter isn't always better though mate I think there might be a good reason why PSA went back to cast iron over alloy |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 04:51
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bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
Post #14
bigger stroke but shorter con-rod will give lower compression.reason pug went back to cast is because its probably stronger and puts the weight over the driving wheels which is better for traction. anybody watched the latest topgear stunt on a 207gti? they timed it, then stripped it out and timed it again and was faster standard... ________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 10:16
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jarrus464
Junior User Location: Great Wyrley, Walsall Registered: 14 May 2007 Posts: 92 Status: Offline |
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no I haven't seen that, you have a link?It could be down to the suspension that, probably more roll due to it sitting higher up, |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 20:08
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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ok cool i just dont know what too do atm |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 20:45
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
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bobdylan_55 wrote: bigger stroke but shorter con-rod will give lower compression. only if you make the rod or piston too short, get it right, it WILL be higher. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 04:59
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leito6
Newbie Location: Buenos Aires Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Status: Offline |
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I'm going down this road at the moment with my engine rebuild. 88mm crank from a XUD9 and 86,5mm forged pistons (1mm lower compression height). End result is circa 2070cc and 11,16 to 1 compression ratio. I'm making the valve pockets 1mm lower in order to have more room to play with timing and bringing the compression down to approximatelly the std ratio. |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 09:13
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
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I would leave the compression ratio as it is, though it is wise to enlarge the cutouts.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 16:00
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bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: bobdylan_55 wrote: bigger stroke but shorter con-rod will give lower compression. only if you make the rod or piston too short, get it right, it WILL be higher. i was refering to kiroshi's earlier comment saying that increasing stroke will increase compression. I was trying to say if its too high you could reduce the size of the rods to get it into a reasonable figure without machining the pistons. ________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 16:26
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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My question upon reflection was one of a numpty. The discussion resulting however is very interesting! ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 18:46
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
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Im thinking of building a 2.1 turbo gti6. Iv already got the pistons and rods, 86mm and cr 8.1. If i was to use a 1.9 crank and take 1mm off the crown of the piston what cc will this give and what will the cr be? Thanks Ollie |
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Posted 24th Jun 2010 at 15:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
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2044cc, not sure on the compression, do the pistons have the 4 valve cutouts?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 24th Jun 2010 at 16:00
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
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the pistons are wossner items, they do have cut out on the crown only and not in the dished part. Would it be safe to take 2mm off them. A friend of mine spoke to brett x longmans builder and he suggested it! Bit worried about takin meat off the pistons. |
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Posted 24th Jun 2010 at 16:08
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
Post #25
depends how deep the valve cutouts are, you'd need to make them deeper too ideally, you will only need to take 1mm off as the stroke is only increased upwards by 1mm.trouble is that they are dished, so it'd be quite an involved process to take the material off accurately. I'd leave it at 86mm tbh, its a lot of messing around for not much benefit as its a Boosted application, if it was N/A and you had flat top pistons it'd be a different matter, or if you were ordering new pistons. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 24th Jun 2010 at 16:38
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