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 mart.h.
Regular  Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
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ive been having a look at rear coilovers and need to know if they will work ok if they are almost horizontal ? here's a quick pic just to show how they fit the axle  advice and idea's welcome ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
 Posted 27th May 2010 at 19:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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ideally you want a fitting that screws into the back of the stub axle to accept the bottom of the damper and a turret welded into the wheel tub, hence giving a vertical damper position and a 1:1 damper to wheel movement ratio.Colin Satchel down in Cornwall does this kind of work as a complete package, if your regs don't allow a turret to be fitted I have seen brief pictures on Allan Dixon's 306 race car, he has a build thread on here, where colin mounted the top of the damper where the original sat, and IIRC the bottom of the damper on an extended bracket located on the trailing arm. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:18
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #3
If they're Gaz's as I suspect they are then they won't work that way up.And you're making the wheel travel/damper travel curve worse by making them more horizontal. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:20
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smighall
Smeg-all  Location: b*tching and Whinging Registered: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 10,012 Status: Offline |
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Best off turreting it if regs allow.  ________________________________________  Seat Leon Cupra FR / 306 GTI6 / Breaking 205 GTI6 / Caterham 7 / Mercedes Sprinter 311CDI LWB Sold: Fisher Fury - Laguna DCI Estate - P1 306 XSI - E30 BMW 325i Baur Convertible - Daihatsu Fourtack - Suzuki GSXR600 - 205 Rallye |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:31
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #5
brilliant thank you folks also they are gaz shocks but are from my kit car so wouldn't actually use them they are purely to help make a mock up  welshpug do you have any pics of the stub axle fitting anywhere? thank you both for your input **edit** thank you smighall just seen your reply ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:34
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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not to hand myself I don't think, Colin's turret is slightly taller and boxier than the one pictured, also open faced so doesn't protrude into the wheel arch.Colin supplies a damper to suit, normally Gaz as they do ones to suit and are of a fair price and quality, if you didn't mind a little extra outlay and a longer wait, I'd get an AST damper on there, again to colins spec ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:50
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #7
sounds like a plan thank you for the help folks its appreciated martin ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 00:58
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chris with a pug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southampton Registered: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5,366 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Hmmm, I do like the look of that, might have to talk to Daveyboy Nicely!! |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 01:12
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #9
here's what Colin does to mount the lower end of the damper; just a vertical top mount at the upper end. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 01:57
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #10
brilliant thank youi have managed to drill and tap an old stub to see if it wass possible looks like i need to make up a spacer to hold the bottom of the coilover away from the trailing arm then work out what springs to run also will i need to keep the rear ARB to hold the axle together or do i need to keep a torsion bar to keep the axle correctly spaced? ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 03:13
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #11
you don't need the ARB at all, but will need the torsion bars to hold it all together, you can fit base model ones if you want and use the springs to adjust the spring rate more accurately, which you can do with 1-1 ratio.getting the length and travel of the damper correct is the difficult part  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 03:49
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #12
thanks again for the infolooks like i ned to spend less time on here and more in the garage now ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 04:47
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #13
welshpug! wrote: you don't need the ARB at all, but will need the torsion bars to hold it all together What does colins set-up use to keep the arms in, I can't see any torsion bars in the picture? ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 05:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #14
not sure, you'd have to ask Colin that  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 13:14
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #15
allenallen if you look at the build thread started by dixon the pic oh his axle shows a torsion bar still in place, i would huess the pic posted by welshpug was taken during the buildi could be completely wrong tho ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 22:45
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pdd144c
Senior User  Location: Southampton Registered: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 550 Status: Offline |
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allanallen wrote: welshpug! wrote: you don't need the ARB at all, but will need the torsion bars to hold it all together What does colins set-up use to keep the arms in, I can't see any torsion bars in the picture? ARB? ________________________________________ FOR SALE205 Turbo Technics complete and 306 Rallye Race Build breaking. |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 03:20
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #17
mart.h. wrote: allenallen if you look at the build thread started by dixon the pic oh his axle shows a torsion bar still in place, i would huess the pic posted by welshpug was taken during the build i could be completely wrong tho WelshPugs picture is of a turreted 205, where as dixons car isn't turreted and is a different set-up alltogether. Theres a 205 over on drivers (sarty) thats been turreted and I believe it runs without an arb and bars so fook knows what holes them together. Welshpug knows I rekon but hes being very secretive about it ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 05:43
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #18
my thinking was the trailing arms need to be spaced .5mm from the axle tube so running a torsion bar would keep it spaced this way altho as you say welshpug possibly knows but is keeping it hidden from us  ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 17:25
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lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #19
surely you could hold it together with a long thin threaded bar where the arb would go and washers and nuts inplace of plates  pretty simple and obvious? |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 17:57
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chris with a pug
Seasoned Pro Location: Southampton Registered: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5,366 Status: Offline |
Post #20
lotek wrote: surely you could hold it together with a long thin threaded bar where the arb would go and washers and nuts inplace of plates pretty simple and obvious?I doubt that will be strong enough. |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 17:59
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #21
plus that would just squeeze the trailing arms into the axle rather than spacing them to give clearance for the sealsunless i've misunderstood what you've put ? ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 29th May 2010 at 18:22
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mart.h.
Regular Location: louth Registered: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 173 Status: Offline |
Post #22
a little update ive managed to build up a trailing arm and fit a tapped out stub axle to it just marked out the position for the rear turrets so im going to pop and get some steel tomorrow and make the turrets up then i'll try to get hold of some coilovers when ive got some more money saved up again thanks for all the input folks its appreciated ________________________________________ [ url=http://www.google.com]Click Me[ /url] |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 02:11
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #23
ARB cannot hold the beam together, its simply an interference fit, it is the torsion bars that hold Sarty's beam together.I don't know if Colin has done any beams without any bars, I doubt it as that's just creating more un-neccesary work tbh (you can if needed run base model torsion bars and use the coil springs to adjust the spring rate) DrSarty's car doesn't run any ARB's. I'm not being secretive BTW, I don't know any more specific details and Colin + Sandy don't really give nay specifics apart from that it's based n what they've tried and tested based upon a few principles of how to get the best out of certain applications. Alan Dixon's beam was done the way it was due to the Castle Combe tintops regulations that didn't allow any modification of the shell, free from any regs Colin does it as Sarty's car was done. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 04:23
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #24
A just as easy way would be to throw the whole 205 beam in the skip and use a fiesta one etc. This would then take away the need to worry about an ARB and also have shock mounts etc. All you would havw to worry about is mounting it at the front and also finding a beam the correct size, ford ka one etc. i am not saying this is the right way but its another option, also save s hassle of having the needle bearings wearing out etc. You could cut the whole rear turret out of a ka and use that too |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 19:06
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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jonnie205 wrote: A just as easy way would be to throw the whole 205 beam in the skip and use a fiesta one etc. This would then take away the need to worry about an ARB and also have shock mounts etc. All you would havw to worry about is mounting it at the front and also finding a beam the correct size, ford ka one etc. i am not saying this is the right way but its another option, also save s hassle of having the needle bearings wearing out etc. You could cut the whole rear turret out of a ka and use that too I've been toying with the idea of cutting out the independant rear wishbones from a new Mini and grafting them in under there somewhere. Ive got plenty of good strong mounting points with the cage install I have so it would'nt be the hardest job on the planet. There is probably an uprated spring and damper setup available to fit their mounting points as they have their own race series too. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 19:26
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